New policy for paid and miles upgrades (AF/KL) - sept 2017
Jan 13, 2020, 11:48 am
#976
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 12
Air France NBO-CDG from W to C for EUR 949 at OLCI ... a couple of days before Christmas
KLM AMS-NBO from Y to C for EUR 349 at what seemed peak travel day of the year (first Sunday of the new year), AMS was crowded as I've never seen it
I just don't get the algorithm.
KLM AMS-NBO from Y to C for EUR 349 at what seemed peak travel day of the year (first Sunday of the new year), AMS was crowded as I've never seen it
I just don't get the algorithm.
Jan 13, 2020, 1:17 pm
#977
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Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Paris, France
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Jan 14, 2020, 12:01 am
#978
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: ZRH / SIN
Programs: FB Ulti, QR-Gold (OWS), TK *Gold, Bonvoy Ambassadort Elite, GHA Titanium, Accor Platinum
Posts: 531
maybe Y was massively overbooked and they looked for some guys to pay for the upgrade instead of handing them out for free.
Jan 14, 2020, 12:12 am
#979
Join Date: Jul 2018
Location: CMN,DXB,CDG
Programs: Flying Blue Platinum
Posts: 764
Was it full in Y? I'd tend to think that the algorithm (notwithstanding the status factor) offers a low price when Y is fully booked (in the likes of 399/499 for this type of route) or high prices when Y is not oversold. If oversold, they will have to bump people up anyway, so better to make at least *some*money out of it. On the other hand, if it's not oversold, they would want to maximize revenue, hence a higher price (as mentioned a few posts above, I was offered >1000 EUR Y-->J on CDG-NBO with AF, on an empty flight. When I do get an offer, it's usually about 369/399 EUR for that leg.
Jan 14, 2020, 4:25 am
#980
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: In between PTY, MEX and CPH
Programs: Flying Blue Plat, SAS Eurobonus Silver, Connect Miles Gold, Marriott Lifetime Plat, Hyatt Disc.
Posts: 587
Most likely what happened - that day of the year is peak expat getting back to NBO time - and most of them travel in Y, not in J.
Was it full in Y? I'd tend to think that the algorithm (notwithstanding the status factor) offers a low price when Y is fully booked (in the likes of 399/499 for this type of route) or high prices when Y is not oversold. If oversold, they will have to bump people up anyway, so better to make at least *some*money out of it. On the other hand, if it's not oversold, they would want to maximize revenue, hence a higher price (as mentioned a few posts above, I was offered >1000 EUR Y-->J on CDG-NBO with AF, on an empty flight. When I do get an offer, it's usually about 369/399 EUR for that leg.
Was it full in Y? I'd tend to think that the algorithm (notwithstanding the status factor) offers a low price when Y is fully booked (in the likes of 399/499 for this type of route) or high prices when Y is not oversold. If oversold, they will have to bump people up anyway, so better to make at least *some*money out of it. On the other hand, if it's not oversold, they would want to maximize revenue, hence a higher price (as mentioned a few posts above, I was offered >1000 EUR Y-->J on CDG-NBO with AF, on an empty flight. When I do get an offer, it's usually about 369/399 EUR for that leg.
Jan 14, 2020, 10:28 am
#981
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 12
I didn’t see Y on the KL flight because I took the offer.
C was 100% full despite 50% seats available at OLCI.
Jan 22, 2020, 8:57 am
#984
Join Date: Apr 2010
Posts: 49
Just got CDG -ATL PE to J for €239! 777
considering Atlanta never gets anything decent, Im pretty shocked by this one. Jumped on it.
PE round trip cost me $1700 going back in September. Feeling pretty good about this one. Plus extra mqm and lots of mqd.
Popped up during checkin process. They wanted €69 for the vce -cdg leg. I passed on that one.
I did hit diamond first time last year, so maybe they took that into account.
considering Atlanta never gets anything decent, Im pretty shocked by this one. Jumped on it.
PE round trip cost me $1700 going back in September. Feeling pretty good about this one. Plus extra mqm and lots of mqd.
Popped up during checkin process. They wanted €69 for the vce -cdg leg. I passed on that one.
I did hit diamond first time last year, so maybe they took that into account.
Jan 22, 2020, 11:24 am
#985
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Posts: 14,352
CPH-AMS €69.-- 19/20 available. Went out 16/20. All four J pax were crammed into row 2 for some reason.
One pax in EC was upgraded to row 5 in J (without amenities) after complaining that the seat next to him in row 6 was occupied, even though he had "paid" for it. His travel companion was no show, so he expected the seat to remain vacant.
Johan
One pax in EC was upgraded to row 5 in J (without amenities) after complaining that the seat next to him in row 6 was occupied, even though he had "paid" for it. His travel companion was no show, so he expected the seat to remain vacant.
Johan
Jan 23, 2020, 2:02 am
#987
Join Date: Apr 2005
Programs: AF/KL FB Plat ; A3 Gold ; HH Gold ; IHG Plat Amb
Posts: 2,378
CDG OTP, Y to J, 99 euros.
I'll keep my emergency exit in Y, however for someone who has no status and needs to check in bags, this offer is pretty reasonable considering it's quite a long flight, skypriority, bags, lounge, more comfort, hot meal et la liqueur de poire williams
I'll keep my emergency exit in Y, however for someone who has no status and needs to check in bags, this offer is pretty reasonable considering it's quite a long flight, skypriority, bags, lounge, more comfort, hot meal et la liqueur de poire williams
Jan 25, 2020, 11:19 pm
#988
Join Date: Nov 2011
Programs: FlyingBlue Plat
Posts: 500
17 Jan AMS-CDG - 99 Eur Y->J
17 Jan CDG-JNB: 279 Eur Y -> W, 549 Eur Y-->J
24 Jan JNB-CDG: 279 Eur Y-->W, 459 Eur Y-->J
25 Jan CDG-AMS: 99 EUR Y-->J
Did not bite, I was quite happy with the seat in row 88
Once the doors were closed on CDG-JNB, a group of about a dozen were whisked away from the small economy class on upper deck (mainly from the middle seats) to the Business class cabin and three others were brought to the W through the back stairs (they were rather gregarious, so easy to notice on a flight which was leaving around midnight and everyone was basically half-asleep). On the way back, 5 people were brought from the upper-deck Y to J during the safety demo.
17 Jan CDG-JNB: 279 Eur Y -> W, 549 Eur Y-->J
24 Jan JNB-CDG: 279 Eur Y-->W, 459 Eur Y-->J
25 Jan CDG-AMS: 99 EUR Y-->J
Did not bite, I was quite happy with the seat in row 88
Once the doors were closed on CDG-JNB, a group of about a dozen were whisked away from the small economy class on upper deck (mainly from the middle seats) to the Business class cabin and three others were brought to the W through the back stairs (they were rather gregarious, so easy to notice on a flight which was leaving around midnight and everyone was basically half-asleep). On the way back, 5 people were brought from the upper-deck Y to J during the safety demo.
Jan 26, 2020, 1:20 am
#989
Join Date: Nov 2018
Location: San Francisco
Programs: DL
Posts: 466
Flying SFO/CDG on Thursday in PE, but J has >9 seats, so hoping for an upgrade offer to J or P. I asked Air France over Twitter on Saturday and they said since my ticket is via a TA (Amex), I can't upgrade beforehand. Does anyone know if I'll still get an upgrade offer at OLCI, or hopefully before then?
Jan 26, 2020, 2:35 am
#990
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17 Jan AMS-CDG - 99 Eur Y->J
17 Jan CDG-JNB: 279 Eur Y -> W, 549 Eur Y-->J
24 Jan JNB-CDG: 279 Eur Y-->W, 459 Eur Y-->J
25 Jan CDG-AMS: 99 EUR Y-->J
Did not bite, I was quite happy with the seat in row 88
Once the doors were closed on CDG-JNB, a group of about a dozen were whisked away from the small economy class on upper deck (mainly from the middle seats) to the Business class cabin and three others were brought to the W through the back stairs (they were rather gregarious, so easy to notice on a flight which was leaving around midnight and everyone was basically half-asleep). On the way back, 5 people were brought from the upper-deck Y to J during the safety demo.
17 Jan CDG-JNB: 279 Eur Y -> W, 549 Eur Y-->J
24 Jan JNB-CDG: 279 Eur Y-->W, 459 Eur Y-->J
25 Jan CDG-AMS: 99 EUR Y-->J
Did not bite, I was quite happy with the seat in row 88
Once the doors were closed on CDG-JNB, a group of about a dozen were whisked away from the small economy class on upper deck (mainly from the middle seats) to the Business class cabin and three others were brought to the W through the back stairs (they were rather gregarious, so easy to notice on a flight which was leaving around midnight and everyone was basically half-asleep). On the way back, 5 people were brought from the upper-deck Y to J during the safety demo.
Flying SFO/CDG on Thursday in PE, but J has >9 seats, so hoping for an upgrade offer to J or P. I asked Air France over Twitter on Saturday and they said since my ticket is via a TA (Amex), I can't upgrade beforehand. Does anyone know if I'll still get an upgrade offer at OLCI, or hopefully before then?