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Old Sep 29, 17, 2:53 am
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Due to fly AMS-GRU tomorrow on KL - I see one seat in C, but no upgrade offered during OLCI. I called KL to enquire - they could book me into that seat by changing my ticket for a mere 2500 EUR. I'll check at the airport again tomorrow.
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Old Sep 29, 17, 3:47 am
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Where do you see this one seat? it is very likely they could overbook you in J for 2500€ and that there aren't actually any seats available if everyone shows up.
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Old Sep 29, 17, 5:06 am
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I see the seat in Expertflyer, and they have confirmed the seat is available.
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Old Sep 29, 17, 5:10 am
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Actually I see J2 C2 for that flight, but it just means there are available tickets to buy, it doesn't say how many tickets were already sold.
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Old Sep 29, 17, 6:03 am
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I don't know where you're looking, but EF shows J1 and everything else zeroed out on KL791 tomorrow.
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Old Sep 29, 17, 6:07 am
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hrm it is indeed J1 and 0 for everything else now, so even better, unlikely that there is an actual seat available, it just means they are happy to overbook it by 1 more seat.
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Old Sep 29, 17, 6:13 am
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Weirdly though, if I try to book business class for that flight on KLM.com now, I'm quoted 6000-odd Euros with a note "only 2 seats available at that price", but no option to select a seat, which corroborates the idea that it's actually full.
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Old Sep 29, 17, 6:16 am
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You can't select a seat because the flight is already "in the checkin system", EF doesn't have NL POS, so that could explain why you see 2 and EF shows 1 (or it could just be "fluctuating")
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Old Sep 29, 17, 8:49 am
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I checked again about half an hour ago, and all of a sudden 6 seats had opened up in business class and I managed to score one for 454 EUR.
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Old Sep 29, 17, 9:01 am
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Originally Posted by mfkne View Post
I checked again about half an hour ago, and all of a sudden 6 seats had opened up in business class and I managed to score one for 454 EUR.
OK, not a bad price. What was your original fare class? And was there a mileage option as well?
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Old Sep 29, 17, 9:30 am
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There was no mileage option that I saw. The original fare class was K.
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Old Sep 30, 17, 7:00 am
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That's also how I understand it. The MMB hasn't changed yet for my booking, asking for 80K Y to C (60K Y to W) miles for the SIN-CDG leg. I will definitely log-in at T-56 to see if there are changes.
It's now T-50 or so hours for my SIN-CDG flight and the following message appears:

All eligible seats for upgrade have just been booked. We are unable to complete your request anymore.
Checking award availability, classic awards are still available in W and C which is of course no indication for upgrade availability. Well, next stop is T-30 for OLCI, will see what's on offer then.
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Old Sep 30, 17, 7:07 am
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Originally Posted by KL803 View Post
It's now T-50 or so hours for my SIN-CDG flight and the following message appears:

Checking award availability, classic awards are still available in W and C which is of course no indication for upgrade availability. Well, next stop is T-30 for OLCI, will see what's on offer then.
SIN-CDG for October 2nd currently have following availability:
POS France: P4 F3 J4 C4 D4 I4 Z4 O1 W7 S7 A7 Y9 B9 M9 U9 K9 H9 L1 Q4 T9 E0 N9 R8 V7 X6 G0
POS Singapore: P4 F3 J4 C4 D4 I4 Z4 O2 W7 S7 A7 Y9 B9 M9 U9 K9 H9 L1 Q4 T9 E0 N9 R8 V0 X0 G0

So it seems quite surprising that there aren't any seats available for upgrade
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Old Sep 30, 17, 10:08 am
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Originally Posted by Goldorak View Post
UPDATE : looking again at the seat map for my tomorrow’s flight, a paid upgrade offer poped-up (3 seats available), but €119, while it was €89 for my inbound flight
still cash only.
Another update (TXL-CDG) : between H-30 and H-4, I looked regularly at the seat map and sometimes the C upgrade was proposed and sometimes not, and when proposed it was always €119 with 3 seats available. From about H-4 to flight time, the upgrade was not proposed anymore and all Y seats were taken on the seat map. Finally, I got a free op-up at the gate ^
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Old Sep 30, 17, 10:27 am
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SIN-CDG for October 2nd currently have following availability:
POS France: P4 F3 J4 C4 D4 I4 Z4 O1 W7 S7 A7 Y9 B9 M9 U9 K9 H9 L1 Q4 T9 E0 N9 R8 V7 X6 G0
POS Singapore: P4 F3 J4 C4 D4 I4 Z4 O2 W7 S7 A7 Y9 B9 M9 U9 K9 H9 L1 Q4 T9 E0 N9 R8 V0 X0 G0

So it seems quite surprising that there aren't any seats available for upgrade
Yes it is indeed weird. I‘ve sent a DM via Social Media to AF, wondering what their reply will be. An interesting thing: before T-56 many seats in Y were available, but at the time I logged in, a lot have been taken. Currently I have 33H with G empty, E & F taken, Fingers crossed that either mysteriously an upgrade will be available or at least 33G remains empty 😃.
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