AZ to end AF/KL partnership from january 2017

Old Jan 14, 17, 5:09 am
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Sadly this really seems to be taking effect now, if in the past I could combine AZ & KL flights, e.g. (AZ) AMS-FCO-TLV, (KL)TLV-AMS for a reasonable price, now it only quotes for >1K€, with the KL segment in fare class B
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Old Jan 16, 17, 2:44 pm
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Published today in AgentConnect

En raison de la modification dans notre partenariat avec Alitalia (AZ), les changements suivants ont été effectués dans les notes tarifaires à compter de ce jour :
• Il n'est plus possible de combiner des tarifs avec AZ excepté sur les lignes de la Joint Venture nord-atlantique entre :
- l'Europe et les USA, le Canada & le Mexique
- l'Asie, l'Afrique & le Moyen-Orient et les USA & le Canada
Sur les itinéraires intra-Europe incluant des vols AF ou KL marketing/AZ operating de/vers Rome, les tarifs AFKL ne sont plus applicables. Les tarifs AFKL qui incluent Rome s'appliquent uniquement sur les vols KL operating. Les vols AF operating seront ajoutés aux tarifs AFKL la semaine prochaine pour inclure Rome et Milan.

Pour les billets émis :
- les billets déjà émis restent valides
- les changements sur un vol aller (billet non utilisé) seront réémis en fonction des nouvelles conditions tarifaires et ne permettront plus dorénavant la combinabilité avec AZ.
- les changements de tous les autres coupons seront recalculés par rapport au prix initial qui permet toujours la combinabilité avec AZ.

Pour les billets non émis :
Pour les billets non émis, une période de gr ce est applicable comme suit jusqu'au 20 janvier 2017.
Les nouvelles conditions tarifaires seront applicables pour tout billet émis après cette date.
Translation (PS : I have to say I don't understand at all the sentences in red, so don't flame me if the translation is unclear )

Due to the change in our partnership with AZ, the following changes have been made for the airfares, starting today :
- it is not possible to combine fares with AZ, except for trips falling into the North Atlantic JV between :
o Europe and USA, Canada and Mexico
o Asia, Africa, Middle esat and USA/Canada

- On intra-Europe itineraries including flights AFKL-marketing/AZ-operating to/from Rome, AFKL fares are not applicable anymore. AFKL fares applicable to Rome trips will apply only on KL-operating flights. AF-operating flights will be added to AFKL fares next week to include Rome and Milan

For already issued tickets :
- already issued tickets remain valid
- changes on onward flight coupon (unused ticket) will be re-emitted applying the new fare rules and will not allow a combination with an AZ fare
- changes of all other flight coupons will be re-calculated taking into account the originally-paid fare wich still allows combinability with AZ

For non-issued tickets :
- a grace period is applied until 20 JAN 2017
The new fare conditions will apply to all tickets issued after this date.
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Old Jan 16, 17, 2:56 pm
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Interesting - thanks for sharing, Goldorak.

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Old Jan 16, 17, 3:13 pm
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Originally Posted by Goldorak View Post
Translation (PS : I have to say I don't understand at all the sentences in red, so don't flame me if the translation is unclear )

- On intra-Europe itineraries including flights AFKL-marketing/AZ-operating to/from Rome, AFKL fares are not applicable anymore. AFKL fares applicable to Rome trips will apply only on KL-operating flights. AF-operating flights will be added to AFKL fares next week to include Rome and Milan
Not that I can say I understand.... but
I went to KLM website to take a look at AMS-FCO flights, for a random date in the future, and the options are:
KL/AF operated, for ~120€
AZ operated, for 300€+, and the return must have a connection

I also tried AMS-MLA, which used to work very nicely with an AZ connection in FCO, and it is gone...

So basically, forget about using KL to book AZ operated flights AMS-FCO(-XXX). AZ still offers AMS-FCO-XXX, even with AMS-FCO operated by KL.
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Old Jan 16, 17, 3:36 pm
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In Dutch

KLM wijzigt de tarieven voor vluchten uitgevoerd door Alitalia
Met ingang van 13 januari 2017 hebben Air France en KLM door een wijziging in de samenwerking met Joint Venture partner Alitalia (AZ), de volgende tariefsaanpassingen in de systemen doorgevoerd:
Het is niet langer mogelijk om tarieven met Alitalia (AZ) te combineren, met uitzondering van Noord-Atlantische Joint Venture routes tussen:
- Europa en de Verenigde Staten, Canada & Mexico
- Azië, Afrika, Midden-Oosten en de Verenigde Staten & Canada

Intra-Europese routes inclusief vluchten naar Rome die bij KLM of Air France zijn geboekt en worden uitgevoerd door Alitalia, kunnen vanaf heden niet meer bij KLM worden geboekt.
Op dit moment kunt u bij KLM alleen vluchten naar Rome boeken, die ook door KLM worden uitgevoerd
Een aantal tarieven naar Rome en Milaan zijn aangepast.

Reeds uitgegeven tickets:
Tickets die al zijn uitgegeven blijven geldig
Bij het wijzigen van een heenvlucht op een volledig ongebruikt ticket zijn de nieuwe tarievenstructuur en voorwaarden van toepassing
Op het wijzigen van alle andere coupons zijn de oude tarievenstructuur en voorwaarden van toepassing.

Nog niet uitgegeven tickets:
Tot en met 10 februari 2017 kunt u reeds geboekte tickets die nog niet zijn uitgegeven nog volgens de oude voorwaarden uitgeven. Indien u binnen deze termijn een ticket uitgeeft dan ontvangt u geen ADM.
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Old Jan 16, 17, 4:19 pm
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And is it clearer in Dutch ?
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Old Jan 16, 17, 4:33 pm
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Originally Posted by Goldorak View Post
And is it clearer in Dutch ?
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Old Jan 17, 17, 3:39 am
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Originally Posted by Goldorak View Post
Translation (PS : I have to say I don't understand at all the sentences in red, so don't flame me if the translation is unclear )
The sentences in red merely draw the consequences of new AFKL intra-European fares no longer allowing codeshares on AZ-operated services.
For new tickets, it means that AFKL fares will require flights to be on AFKL metal and not AZ. It seems that, for some reason, AF flights were not included in some of these fares (i.e. they allowed KL only) and this will be changed.

For existing tickets, if you change the first sector, the same principles will apply (this is because changes to the first fare component normally requires you to use fares in existence at the time of re-ticketing).

If you change a segment other than the first fare component, you can normally use historical fares (i.e. fares existing when you originally booked your ticket). The text in red applies that here: in that situation, therefore, you can still use AZ-operated codeshares since the fare rules allowed that when you originally booked your ticket.
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Old Jan 17, 17, 5:16 am
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KLM announced it will move from Linate to Malpensa.
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Old Jan 17, 17, 5:17 am
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Originally Posted by KLflyerRalph View Post
KLM announced it will move from Linate to Malpensa.
That's not good. At least for people who need to do business in Milano. I hope AF doesn't leave Linate.
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Old Jan 17, 17, 5:40 am
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Originally Posted by KLflyerRalph View Post
KLM announced it will move from Linate to Malpensa.
Thanks for sharing - I have updated the relevant thread accordingly.

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Old Jan 17, 17, 5:41 am
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Now happening, according to this

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Old Jan 17, 17, 6:33 am
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AF will have a total of 5 services to/out of MXP and will keep 2 flights to/from LIN, whereas KL 4 and 1 respectively, all from March 26th.

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Old Jan 17, 17, 7:00 am
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Both AF and KL will offer a free limousine service to all those passengers departing from MXP and connecting to long-haul services in Business and La Première. The offer is, at least for the time being, only valid from March 26th to December 31st.

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Old Jan 17, 17, 7:17 am
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Originally Posted by AlicorporateUK View Post
AF will have a total of 5 services to/out of MXP and will keep 2 flights to/from LIN, whereas KL 4 and 1 respectively, all from March 26th.

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KLM's announcement mentions 3 daily flights from MXP. Flights aren't loaded in the schedule yet.
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