Jul 28, 2021, 7:32 am
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Wiki for Mileage/XP Runs
Indicate below your itinerary, availability dates, price and XP. Please only log runs with confirmed fares availability. Feel free to tag yourself if you want to meet fellow FTers.
Eg:
MXP-CDG-AMS-KRK-AMS-CDG-MXP in J, 2021-01-01/02, 570 €, 180 XP
HEL-AMS-LAX-AMS-HEL in J, 2022-08-16/18, 1059 €, 204 XP (@XXXFlyer arriving at 11:50 AM, leaving at 06:00 AM)
Upcoming runs:
MXP-CDG-AMS-KRK in J on 2022/07/21-22, 380€ - 45XP (8,44€/XP) : one way
Past runs:
For future reference, log below your most interesting XP runs:
KRK-AMS-CDG-BCN-AMS-CDG-KRK, 2021-07-22/24, 576 €, 180 XP
ATH-CDG-AMS-KRK-AMS-CDG-ATH in J, 2021-09-18/19, 561€
KRK-AMS-CDG-LIS-CDG-AMS-KRK, 2021-07-22/28, 492 € 180 XP
NTE-CDG-AMS-LIS-CDG-LYS-NTE, 2021-09-25/26, 157 €/42XP
Indicate below your itinerary, availability dates, price and XP. Please only log runs with confirmed fares availability. Feel free to tag yourself if you want to meet fellow FTers.
Eg:
MXP-CDG-AMS-KRK-AMS-CDG-MXP in J, 2021-01-01/02, 570 €, 180 XP
HEL-AMS-LAX-AMS-HEL in J, 2022-08-16/18, 1059 €, 204 XP (@XXXFlyer arriving at 11:50 AM, leaving at 06:00 AM)
Upcoming runs:
MXP-CDG-AMS-KRK in J on 2022/07/21-22, 380€ - 45XP (8,44€/XP) : one way
Past runs:
For future reference, log below your most interesting XP runs:
KRK-AMS-CDG-BCN-AMS-CDG-KRK, 2021-07-22/24, 576 €, 180 XP
ATH-CDG-AMS-KRK-AMS-CDG-ATH in J, 2021-09-18/19, 561€
KRK-AMS-CDG-LIS-CDG-AMS-KRK, 2021-07-22/28, 492 € 180 XP
NTE-CDG-AMS-LIS-CDG-LYS-NTE, 2021-09-25/26, 157 €/42XP
Mileage runs for Flying Blue - best routes?
Jul 6, 2018, 2:48 am
#211
Join Date: Mar 2013
Location: MUC
Programs: TK Elite, FB Gold
Posts: 315
Jul 6, 2018, 8:57 am
#213
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Mar 2008
Location: Netherlands
Programs: KL Platinum; A3 Gold
Posts: 28,710
There is no longer a strict delineation between "cash buckets" and "miles buckets". As others have stated, "O" class a long time ago stopped being used exclusively for awards. Ditto for "X".
Forget the "old" way of doing things. If "O" is at 9, it doesn't necessarily mean that there are lots of business class award seats available (at the lowest rate). If "O" is at 0, it doesn't necessarily mean that no award seats are available.
Jul 6, 2018, 9:14 am
#214
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Netherlands
Posts: 4,279
Indeed, yesterday I was in the lounge and spoke with some of the ticketing desk ladies there and indeed, O can be award or fare-based ticket. It is lower than O. I was told that they will be able to identify if it is fare or award ticket, so miles will be awarded accordingly even for the different FF programs.
Cheers!
Cheers!
Jul 6, 2018, 9:27 am
#215
Join Date: Sep 2016
Programs: FB Platinum, SAS Gold , HH Diamond
Posts: 152
But even if..that fare is about 450€ (including 130€ taxes) which would net someone with FB status 2000-2500 Miles for a trip which is at maximum (SVO-CDG-TLV) 3550 miles long. Thats like 70% earning. This revenue based earning is really really sad.
Before the change it was 250% (CDG.TLV) + status so 325% so around 10.000 miles.
Before the change it was 250% (CDG.TLV) + status so 325% so around 10.000 miles.
Jul 6, 2018, 2:23 pm
#216
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: 🇸🇬 🇭🇰 🇫🇷
Programs: Many
Posts: 4,749
There are two O buckets: one for revenue tickets, one for award tickets from Skyteam and other partners allowing redemption on AF/KL.
Ox is then not enough information to know whether there are revenue tickets or Skyteam awards available. It could be only revenue, only award (albeit strange) or both.
Expertflyer (I am sure KVS also) can make the distinction between the two buckets.
Now if there is O availability as a Skyteam award, it does not mean the FB award will be cheap.
That is the black magic of dynamic (and totally non transparent) award scheme in place with FB since June.
Ox is then not enough information to know whether there are revenue tickets or Skyteam awards available. It could be only revenue, only award (albeit strange) or both.
Expertflyer (I am sure KVS also) can make the distinction between the two buckets.
Now if there is O availability as a Skyteam award, it does not mean the FB award will be cheap.
That is the black magic of dynamic (and totally non transparent) award scheme in place with FB since June.
Jul 7, 2018, 11:07 am
#217
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Paris, France
Programs: Flying Blue (LTPE) All (Gold)
Posts: 1,519
The new subclasses hierarchy in Business Class from high to low will be : J-C-D-I-Z-O. (I-Z-O restricted class)
As of 10 October 2017 Air France introduce 7 new booking classes on its medium haul flights:
- 1 new class for Business: O
- 6 new classes for Economy: P F W S A G
The Air France and KLM medium haul offer in Economy will be fully aligned
As of 10 October 2017 Air France introduce 7 new booking classes on its medium haul flights:
- 1 new class for Business: O
- 6 new classes for Economy: P F W S A G
The Air France and KLM medium haul offer in Economy will be fully aligned
Last edited by delanotre; Jul 7, 2018 at 11:36 am
Jul 8, 2018, 11:38 pm
#218
Join Date: Dec 2012
Location: DUS, BRU, POA
Programs: Skyteam E+ (FB PfL), Latam Black, LH MM, Iberia plus, HH: Diamond, Marriott Bonvoy: Plat
Posts: 1,119
Jul 9, 2018, 1:42 am
#219
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Netherlands
Posts: 4,279
yes, I do..sorry for the typo. This is according to the info from the agents. I believe that they mentioned that this fare is super restrictive and no change (even with $$) can be done. I believe with Z, it was still changeable with $$.
Cheers!
Cheers!
Jul 9, 2018, 2:40 am
#220
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Paris, France
Programs: Flying Blue (LTPE) All (Gold)
Posts: 1,519
You may change everything in Z or O class but O is only available with one sunday included in the trip otherwise the lowest fare is Z.
Jul 17, 2018, 5:02 pm
#221
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: Montreux CH
Programs: FB Platinum, M&M FTL, BA Blue
Posts: 11,619
Well, as I continue on my path to Platinum (really not sure if I'll make it there at this moment), I managed to score 4 more XP for my round trip flight on Aeroflot between Moscow SVO and Samara KUF. I was rejected lounge access at SVO because I was not connecting to an international flight. On the way back, they let me in at KUF, even though my onward connecting flight was with another airline (JP).
SVO did not provide a massively exciting airport experience and people were milling around everywhere, due to the World Cup. The one and a half hour flight to Samara was full of Colombia fans (I saw the Senegal v Colombia match myself in Samara stadium). It was a long haul A330, quite unusual for this route. The flight back was the usual A320, with the usual excellent SU inflight service. Everything was on time and perfectly pleasant, although the ground services of SU at SVO leave a lot to be desired.
In the Samara and Tolgliatti area, I swam in the Volga every day, even though the water was the colour of pure Kvas, the Russian soft drink. In Togliatti, I saw how they submerged the entire city of Stavropol in order to create the damn across the Volga. I suspect there were many of those rather nice but very old looking wooden buildings that can be found all over central Samara. In Samara, I visited Stalin's Bunker, a cold war bunker that was created for Stalin but never used, as well as the Kosmicheskaya space museum. I ate and drank far too much.
SVO did not provide a massively exciting airport experience and people were milling around everywhere, due to the World Cup. The one and a half hour flight to Samara was full of Colombia fans (I saw the Senegal v Colombia match myself in Samara stadium). It was a long haul A330, quite unusual for this route. The flight back was the usual A320, with the usual excellent SU inflight service. Everything was on time and perfectly pleasant, although the ground services of SU at SVO leave a lot to be desired.
In the Samara and Tolgliatti area, I swam in the Volga every day, even though the water was the colour of pure Kvas, the Russian soft drink. In Togliatti, I saw how they submerged the entire city of Stavropol in order to create the damn across the Volga. I suspect there were many of those rather nice but very old looking wooden buildings that can be found all over central Samara. In Samara, I visited Stalin's Bunker, a cold war bunker that was created for Stalin but never used, as well as the Kosmicheskaya space museum. I ate and drank far too much.
Jul 18, 2018, 8:11 am
#222
Join Date: Nov 2009
Location: LUX
Programs: AF/KL Plat for Life, HH Diamond, IHG Plat, Accor Diamond, Avis PC, Hertz PC
Posts: 327
One of my favorite ones...99XP - 32000miles as a plat... Almost the same price as purchasing the miles with XPs and a very nice Indonesian trip offered while preserving your liver :-D
MXP-JED-CGK available as a one-way for 475€
Last edited by SteamyUncle; Jul 18, 2018 at 11:17 am
Jul 19, 2018, 2:20 am
#223
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: 🇸🇬 🇭🇰 🇫🇷
Programs: Many
Posts: 4,749
Probably the best one indeed. Also available from FCO. My favorite way to come back in Asia from Europe.
Jul 19, 2018, 5:29 am
#224
Join Date: May 2016
Posts: 500
Jul 19, 2018, 5:57 am
#225
Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: NUE
Programs: *G (TK elite+), OW sapphire (QR), ST elite plus (AF). LA black
Posts: 3,674
And the mileage should be for a platinum:
MXP-JED - 2382 flown miles x 1,5 (biz bonus) = 3573 + elite bonus 2382 = 5955 miles
JED-CGK - 4955 flown miles x 1,5 (biz bonus) = 7493 + elite bonus 4955 = 12448 miles
CGK-JED - 4955 flown miles x 1,5 (biz bonus) = 7493 + elite bonus 4955 = 12448 miles
JED-MXP - 2382 flown miles x 1,5 (biz bonus) = 3573 + elite bonus 2382 = 5955 miles
Total = 36806 miles.