MINI-fares have arrived at KLM?
Nov 9, 2014, 11:18 pm
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MINI-fares have arrived at KLM?
since when is KLM offering fares on KLM flights without mileage? I tried to book NUE-AMS-HAM-AMS-NUE - for 169€ - and the website says frequent flyers earn 0 miles. the fare is XSRDE.
have AF style MINI fares arrived at KLM finally?
have AF style MINI fares arrived at KLM finally?
Nov 10, 2014, 12:55 am
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I very much doubt KL would offer MiNi fares: the main aspect of MiNi (above all else) is the absence of authorised checked luggage and KL has crossed that particular bridge differently. I'm not aware of KL offering miles-less fares although I would not be surprised if they moved that way at some point. However, X is used for both paid and redemption tickets so this may well be a mere system error.
Nov 10, 2014, 2:08 am
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Booking class X does indeed not earn on KLM. For AF this is a mixed (earning / non-earning) bucket, this seems not the case for KL:
http://www.flyingblue.com/earn-miles...er/39/klm.html
However this is not a 'true' MiNi fare, as the fare base should end with '9' for it to be MiNi. I would expect that either:
a. This is some kind of group booking, or non-retail, fare
b. KLM is introducing fare class X and has not yet updated the earning chart
Where did you try to book this ticket? On KLM.com?
http://www.flyingblue.com/earn-miles...er/39/klm.html
However this is not a 'true' MiNi fare, as the fare base should end with '9' for it to be MiNi. I would expect that either:
a. This is some kind of group booking, or non-retail, fare
b. KLM is introducing fare class X and has not yet updated the earning chart
Where did you try to book this ticket? On KLM.com?
Nov 10, 2014, 2:21 am
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X is not a "normal" revenue KLM fare: KLM Fare Structure
X is used as the Economy Classic Award fare bucket for award bookings.
Therefore, I really doubt that you bought the ticket on the KLM website. How did you acquire this ticket?
I would, like other posters, assume this is some special group/agent/tour rate that is not generally available to the public - or that the ticket was purchased with miles.
The cheapest I could find on random dates next year on klm.com was €185, which the website [naturally] says comes with miles.
X is used as the Economy Classic Award fare bucket for award bookings.
Therefore, I really doubt that you bought the ticket on the KLM website. How did you acquire this ticket?
I would, like other posters, assume this is some special group/agent/tour rate that is not generally available to the public - or that the ticket was purchased with miles.
The cheapest I could find on random dates next year on klm.com was €185, which the website [naturally] says comes with miles.
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Nov 10, 2014, 4:00 am
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X is not a "normal" revenue KLM fare: KLM Fare Structure
X is used as the Economy Classic Award fare bucket for award bookings...
X is used as the Economy Classic Award fare bucket for award bookings...
[KVS Availability Tool 7.7.0 - Fares/GOL]
Code:
NUE Nuremberg DE [EDDN]
HAM Hamburg Metro / Fuhlsbuettel DE = HAM LBC ZMB [EDDH]
R/T 06 Jan 2015 | 13 Jan 2015
Carrier From To Fare Cur Min Max Fare Basis
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KL NUE HAM 40 EUR Sun 1M GSRDE
KL NUE HAM 46 EUR Sun 6M XSRDE
Nov 10, 2014, 4:04 am
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KLM seems to have changed its fares structure for european flights during the last days ... they introduced an X fare between G and V fare buckets.
the advance purchase requirement was modified for the cheaper fares.
G is still earning miles, but the slightly more expensive X does not. I hope that this is an IT glitch and they forgot to add X as mileage earning fare bucket to their systems.
e.g. fares for NUE-HAM on KL as of today
Results from ExpertFlyer.com
and as of mid-october ...
Results from ExpertFlyer.com
the advance purchase requirement was modified for the cheaper fares.
G is still earning miles, but the slightly more expensive X does not. I hope that this is an IT glitch and they forgot to add X as mileage earning fare bucket to their systems.
e.g. fares for NUE-HAM on KL as of today
Results from ExpertFlyer.com
Code:
Fare Information Search:
Departing NUE on 12/12/14 for HAM
Returning on 19/12/14
Flying KL
Purchasing at NUE
Viewing in currency EUR
Validated Results
Fare Basis Airline Booking Trip Type Fare Cabin Effective Expiration Min/Max Advanced
Class Date Date Stay Purchase Req
GSRDE KL G Round-Trip 40.00 (EUR) E SU / 1M 25
XSRDE KL X Round-Trip 46.00 (EUR) E SU / 6M 19
VSRDE KL V Round-Trip 55.00 (EUR) E SU / 6M 12
RSRDE KL R Round-Trip 68.00 (EUR) E SU / 6M 10
NSRDE KL N Round-Trip 76.00 (EUR) E SU / 6M 10
ESRDE KL E Round-Trip 81.00 (EUR) E SU / 6M 10
QSRDE KL Q Round-Trip 83.00 (EUR) E SU / 6M 10
TWKDE KL T Round-Trip 86.00 (EUR) E -- / 6M 22
HSRDE KL H Round-Trip 124.00 (EUR) E SU / 6M 10
LWKDE KL L Round-Trip 150.00 (EUR) E -- / 6M 14
KSRDE KL K Round-Trip 190.00 (EUR) E SU / 6M 10
UWKDE KL U Round-Trip 226.00 (EUR) E -- / 6M 01
MWKDE KL M Round-Trip 317.00 (EUR) E -- / 6M 01
BFFDE KL B Round-Trip 426.00 (EUR) E
YFFDE KL Y Round-Trip 556.00 (EUR) E
ZFFDE KL Z Round-Trip 636.00 (EUR) B
CFFDE KL C Round-Trip 750.00 (EUR) B
JFFDE KL J Round-Trip 882.00 (EUR) B
Results from ExpertFlyer.com
Code:
Fare Information Search:
Departing NUE on 12/12/14 for HAM
Returning on 19/12/14
Ticketing on 01/10/14
Flying KL
Purchasing at NUE
Viewing in currency EUR
Validated Results
Fare Basis Airline Booking Trip Type Fare Cabin Effective Expiration Min/Max Advanced
Class Date Date Stay Purchase Req
GSRDE KL G Round-Trip 40.00 (EUR) E SU / 1M 25
VSRDE KL V Round-Trip 57.00 (EUR) E SU / 6M 12
RSRDE KL R Round-Trip 70.00 (EUR) E SU / 6M 10
NSRDE KL N Round-Trip 78.00 (EUR) E SU / 6M 10
ESRDE KL E Round-Trip 85.00 (EUR) E SU / 6M 10
TWKDE KL T Round-Trip 86.00 (EUR) E -- / 6M 22
QSRDE KL Q Round-Trip 87.00 (EUR) E SU / 6M 10
HSRDE KL H Round-Trip 135.00 (EUR) E SU / 6M 10
LWKDE KL L Round-Trip 150.00 (EUR) E -- / 6M 14
KSRDE KL K Round-Trip 194.00 (EUR) E SU / 6M 10
UWKDE KL U Round-Trip 226.00 (EUR) E -- / 6M 01
MWKDE KL M Round-Trip 317.00 (EUR) E -- / 6M 01
BFFDE KL B Round-Trip 426.00 (EUR) E -- / 6M
YFFDE KL Y Round-Trip 556.00 (EUR) E
ZFFDE KL Z Round-Trip 636.00 (EUR) B
CFFDE KL C Round-Trip 750.00 (EUR) B
JFFDE KL J Round-Trip 882.00 (EUR) B
Nov 10, 2014, 4:10 am
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Nov 10, 2014, 4:11 am
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OK, I must say I am surprised at that.
How long has KLM been using "X" as a normal revenue (non-earning) fare class? EDIT: f0zzyNUE's sleuthing above seems to have answered the question.
I barely travel KLM these days, but it doesn't seem to be using X as a fare class for departures from Amsterdam. Looking at my most-travelled routes, on ExpertFlyer, there are no X-class fares listed (AMS-TXL, AMS-LHR) [AF does, however, offer X fares in the Dutch market]
How long has KLM been using "X" as a normal revenue (non-earning) fare class? EDIT: f0zzyNUE's sleuthing above seems to have answered the question.
I barely travel KLM these days, but it doesn't seem to be using X as a fare class for departures from Amsterdam. Looking at my most-travelled routes, on ExpertFlyer, there are no X-class fares listed (AMS-TXL, AMS-LHR) [AF does, however, offer X fares in the Dutch market]
Nov 10, 2014, 4:27 am
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I have booked the same class X code on a route BHX-AMS-FRA return. I assumed they were introducing mini fares like Air France that did not earn miles and segments. I didn't realise I wouldn't be earning miles until I read my confirmation email.
Is this more than likely a glitch in their system or will I not be earning points on this booking? I am more bothered about the segments than the miles. It makes no sense that a cheaper code would earn miles when a more expensive code wouldn't.
Is this more than likely a glitch in their system or will I not be earning points on this booking? I am more bothered about the segments than the miles. It makes no sense that a cheaper code would earn miles when a more expensive code wouldn't.
Nov 10, 2014, 4:37 am
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I did an AMS-LYS RT booking recently, and noticed that on the AF site it proposed a MINI fare which was actually a tiny bit more than the cheapest KLM.com fare which was R outbound and V return.
Nov 10, 2014, 4:41 am
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It seems ridiculous to introduce X as a revenue code which is priced a little bit more than G, which does earn. Whether that's the glitch, simply not thought through, or intentional, is unknown. But given how long such anomalous situations were allowed to continue with other carriers, I would not have any faith in KLM/Flying Blue making this correct and giving you the segments that you need...
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/air-f...ll-action.html
Nov 10, 2014, 5:07 am
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KL does sell MiNi fares : http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/21884506-post484.html
Nov 10, 2014, 5:31 am
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KL never sold AF mini fares. up to now you could be sure that when you bought a ticket for an AF on the KLM website, it was NOT a mini fare.
Nov 10, 2014, 5:35 am
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Nov 10, 2014, 8:49 am
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As this fare is higher than known miles-earning buckets, then it is reasonable to assume that it will (eventually) earn miles/segments. However, as has been noted in other threads, this may take some considerable time and/or effort on the part of the passenger to sort the matter out with the folks at FB.
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