New award structure for intra-European/intra-Caribbean flights
Jul 28, 2012, 4:02 am
#211
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Now we have to get to ATH tomorrow. Direct KL flight from AMS unavailable (= fully booked!) at klm.com, simply no tickets being sold any more. However one award still available. In business. 45K miles and 30 euro taxes. While still around the 1 cent mark per mile (guestimating the one-way flight to normally cost about 500 euro), in no way as good value as the VCE-AMS redemption.
Jul 28, 2012, 9:30 am
#212
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Perhaps I should give them a ring and request it to be changed? Using the fact that the new scheme was introduced later as an argument. I give myself little chances though, as the segment has been flown long ago now..
Last edited by Xandrios; Jul 28, 2012 at 9:51 am
Jul 30, 2012, 11:58 am
#213
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To be honest, considering how low the taxes have now become (about €15 for a one way flight) I'd personally say it would be a very poor use of 7500 miles! I think that if FB had kept things similar and you could now use your 7500 miles to pay €15 while before they would have paid you €80 or so, I think many people would have criticised FB
it depends, for some of the destinations in the balkans it's still more than 50, so compared to 7500 miles it was really interesting...
and i really dont understand why people would have criticised as it's an option and not mandatory at all.
the worse thing for me being that none information is given about it, and looks like it's a rule for them now, as they dont inform when they remove options
anybody remembering the around the world ticket for 140K miles?
Aug 4, 2012, 2:28 am
#214
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Sorry for the question, but I think I miss something. But for sure not clear on af flying blue website.
I m not so familiar with award intra Europe but I m lost since the last changes.
As my understanding, I think that the classic award was not changed.
I try to find a flight Vienna to Paris end of august and Classic awards (one way) appear at 12,5k (via ams only) or 15,625K (hardly to find) and mostly 25k
Flex is at 37,5k
seems an incredible increase on miles (it is "still" 25k to go to US)?
On the af miles calculator, no change, the classic award is still at 25k (return).
Any logic to calculate the classic award? Where can I find the info?
I m not so familiar with award intra Europe but I m lost since the last changes.
As my understanding, I think that the classic award was not changed.
I try to find a flight Vienna to Paris end of august and Classic awards (one way) appear at 12,5k (via ams only) or 15,625K (hardly to find) and mostly 25k
Flex is at 37,5k
seems an incredible increase on miles (it is "still" 25k to go to US)?
On the af miles calculator, no change, the classic award is still at 25k (return).
Any logic to calculate the classic award? Where can I find the info?
Aug 4, 2012, 3:59 am
#215
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Sorry for the question, but I think I miss something. But for sure not clear on af flying blue website.
I m not so familiar with award intra Europe but I m lost since the last changes.
As my understanding, I think that the classic award was not changed.
I try to find a flight Vienna to Paris end of august and Classic awards (one way) appear at 12,5k (via ams only) or 15,625K (hardly to find) and mostly 25k
Flex is at 37,5k
seems an incredible increase on miles (it is "still" 25k to go to US)?
On the af miles calculator, no change, the classic award is still at 25k (return).
Any logic to calculate the classic award? Where can I find the info?
I m not so familiar with award intra Europe but I m lost since the last changes.
As my understanding, I think that the classic award was not changed.
I try to find a flight Vienna to Paris end of august and Classic awards (one way) appear at 12,5k (via ams only) or 15,625K (hardly to find) and mostly 25k
Flex is at 37,5k
seems an incredible increase on miles (it is "still" 25k to go to US)?
On the af miles calculator, no change, the classic award is still at 25k (return).
Any logic to calculate the classic award? Where can I find the info?
Aug 4, 2012, 6:08 am
#216
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Miles needed!
Quite sure that same changes will be soon implemented on long haul!
Flying blue is really bad.
Sep 2, 2012, 10:52 am
#217
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It seems LH L&L is increasing the amount needed for taxes on intra-European one-way awards to 18,000 miles. Interesting to see that they have apparently chosen a different path from AF & BA on this specific issue.
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/miles...ve-2013-a.html
http://www.flyertalk.com/forum/miles...ve-2013-a.html
Oct 4, 2012, 2:54 am
#218
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Source: Air France French travel agent portal
The domestic and intra-European award structure is now extended to AF-operated, intra-Caribbean flights (Guadeloupe, Martinique, Haïti & French Guyana), effective October 1st.
The domestic and intra-European award structure is now extended to AF-operated, intra-Caribbean flights (Guadeloupe, Martinique, Haïti & French Guyana), effective October 1st.
Last edited by JOUY31; Oct 4, 2012 at 3:00 am
Dec 15, 2012, 7:00 pm
#219
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Originally Posted by Flying Blue website
Please note: Because we introduced these changes without prior notice, it is still possible to book award tickets against old rules until the end of 2012. If you wish to make use of this, please contact the Flying Blue Service Centre
Well, well, well...
Please note: Because we introduced these changes without prior notice, it is still possible to book award tickets against old rules until the end of 2012. If you wish to make use of this, please contact the Flying Blue Service Centre
Well, well, well...
http://www.flyingbluenews.com/news/1...d-tickets.html
I actually made use of the grace period and would consider making use of it again. However, in July the FB agent had to check the grace period on the FB news website first...
Dec 16, 2012, 1:47 pm
#220
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Well the note has disappeared from the website or at least I cannot find the original post anymore.
http://www.flyingbluenews.com/news/1...d-tickets.html
I actually made use of the grace period and would consider making use of it again. However, in July the FB agent had to check the grace period on the FB news website first...
Dec 17, 2012, 9:48 am
#221
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But I meant to post only one thumb down, but apparently I must have pressed the icon twice. I am not that mad.
Aug 5, 2013, 2:38 am
#222
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Part of the headline is intra-Caribbean flights which flights is that
referring to?
Do AF/KL have any 5th freedom flights like BA? *
*
ANU (Antigua) – GND (Grenada) (70 minutes)
ANU (Antigua) – SKB (St Kitts) (30 minutes)
ANU (Antigua) – TAB (Trinidad & Tobago) (85 minutes)
GCM (Grand Cayman) – NAS (Nassau) (90 minutes)
NAS (Nassau) – PLS (Turks & Caicos) (85 minutes)
POS (Port of Spain) – UVF (St Lucia) (60 minutes)
referring to?
Do AF/KL have any 5th freedom flights like BA? *
*
ANU (Antigua) – GND (Grenada) (70 minutes)
ANU (Antigua) – SKB (St Kitts) (30 minutes)
ANU (Antigua) – TAB (Trinidad & Tobago) (85 minutes)
GCM (Grand Cayman) – NAS (Nassau) (90 minutes)
NAS (Nassau) – PLS (Turks & Caicos) (85 minutes)
POS (Port of Spain) – UVF (St Lucia) (60 minutes)
Aug 5, 2013, 3:09 am
#223
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Part of the headline is intra-Caribbean flights which flights is that
referring to?
Do AF/KL have any 5th freedom flights like BA? *
*
ANU (Antigua) – GND (Grenada) (70 minutes)
ANU (Antigua) – SKB (St Kitts) (30 minutes)
ANU (Antigua) – TAB (Trinidad & Tobago) (85 minutes)
GCM (Grand Cayman) – NAS (Nassau) (90 minutes)
NAS (Nassau) – PLS (Turks & Caicos) (85 minutes)
POS (Port of Spain) – UVF (St Lucia) (60 minutes)
referring to?
Do AF/KL have any 5th freedom flights like BA? *
*
ANU (Antigua) – GND (Grenada) (70 minutes)
ANU (Antigua) – SKB (St Kitts) (30 minutes)
ANU (Antigua) – TAB (Trinidad & Tobago) (85 minutes)
GCM (Grand Cayman) – NAS (Nassau) (90 minutes)
NAS (Nassau) – PLS (Turks & Caicos) (85 minutes)
POS (Port of Spain) – UVF (St Lucia) (60 minutes)
Cayenne-Fort de France
Fort de France-Pointe à Pitre
Fort de France-Punta Cana
Fort de France-Santo Domingo
Pointe à Pitre-Punta Cana
Pointe à Pitre-Santo Domingo
Pointe à Pitre-Port au Prince
Port au Prince-Miami
With the exception of Port au Prince-Miami 5th freedom rights are not required. These are either domestic French flights or flights between France and another country.
KLM has flights
St. Maarten-Curacao
Bonaire-Curacao
Bonaire-Aruba
The Dutch West Indies do not have the same legal status as the French DOM, but I do believe that for purposes of airline traffic rights they are treated as part of the Netherlands - not sure though.
Aug 5, 2013, 6:49 am
#225
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KLM doesn't operate any flights within and between the Netherlands Antilles anymore. It now codeshares on Insel Air services, but probably only when the itinerary involves a long-haul KLM ticket, and I doubt they can booked separately by miles or cash.