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Old Oct 14, 2009, 5:51 am
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Originally Posted by Gajan
The luggage policy will now also be adopted to flight to/from Canada. Fee payable will be CAN$50.
Originally Posted by Gajan
The official KLM document also only states AF/KLM elites.
I wonder if the next step will be alligning the bagage allowance between AF/KLM/NW/DL for elites.
Where is the official KLM document? I can only find http://www.klm.com/travel/eg_en/abou...gage_rules.htm.

It says nothing about Canada, and explicitly excludes all "Flying Blue Elite members". The French AirFrance document does say there will be a charge for second bags on flights to/from Canada...
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Old Oct 14, 2009, 9:41 am
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(Strong) rumour: extra fee for 2nd bagage on trans-Atlantic flights

I have read on an aviation site that AF/KL plans to modify the piece concept for trans-Atlantic flights. Rather than allowing two pieces of luggage for free, pax flying in Economy now have to pay 50EUR for the second one.

I didn't find an English or French source yet, but the site I got the news from is a news site, not a rumour site, so I expect it to be true.

Comments? Reactions? (I expect the whole range from "absolutely normal. many airlines do this now" to "Bloodsuckers. I'll never fly AF again")
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Old Oct 14, 2009, 9:48 am
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English or French source yet
Do tell, what language?
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Old Oct 14, 2009, 9:59 am
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Found one in English: on KLM site
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Old Oct 14, 2009, 10:19 am
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Originally Posted by creber
Comments? Reactions? (I expect the whole range from "absolutely normal. many airlines do this now" to "Bloodsuckers. I'll never fly AF again")
Quick comments from myself :
- it seems EU(*) majors are all implementing the same thing
- short time between information and implementation seems absolutely anormal
- on par with AF low cost strategy (IMO it would have been a wonderful communication opportunity not to do it)

(*) no comment on US majors since they are already all blood******s.
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Old Oct 14, 2009, 10:34 am
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This subject is currently being discussed here.

Of course, this is somewhat outrageous but shouldn't affect the elites this time because the 2nd bag fee does not apply for elites.
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Old Oct 14, 2009, 10:38 am
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Originally Posted by KL803
Of course, this is somewhat outrageous but shouldn't affect the elites this time because the 2nd bag fee does not apply for elites.
But as AF is getting rid of its Elites at the same time...
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Old Oct 14, 2009, 10:40 am
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I'm very keen to know... just how did AFKL marketing try to spin this as a benefit? I would love to see the English text
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Old Oct 14, 2009, 10:49 am
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Originally Posted by OttoMH
I'm very keen to know... just how did AFKL marketing try to spin this as a benefit? I would love to see the English text

Easy one : "Since last April fool, becoming a FB Elite has been easier. At the same time, we have decided to care more about our Elites passengers because they are our most valuable customers. With the implementation of the new luggage rule between Europe and North America, AF/KL shows again the competition how to care about Elites".
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Old Oct 14, 2009, 11:03 am
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Originally Posted by creber
Found one in English: on KLM site
PHG had already announced the general move to "itemized" services in his Sep. 23rd interview to Les Echos, expressedly mentioning the 2nd piece of baggage.

http://corporate.airfrance.com/filea...eptembre09.pdf
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Old Oct 14, 2009, 1:34 pm
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Originally Posted by creber
I didn't find an English or French source yet, but the site I got the news from is a news site, not a rumour site, so I expect it to be true.
Post 22 answered your question above: the official text in french

http://voyageforum.com/voyage/air_fr...nada_D2952349/

rules for ticketing after november 1st

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Old Oct 14, 2009, 3:49 pm
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Originally Posted by JOUY31
PHG had already announced the general move to "itemized" services in his Sep. 23rd interview to Les Echos, expressedly mentioning the 2nd piece of baggage.

http://corporate.airfrance.com/filea...eptembre09.pdf
What other elements will be "itemized"? There isn't much left over before even AF's own marketing spin can't lie anymore about this not being an LCC.

Having said that, whilst I do have some serious quirks with AF's service culture, I do not oppose a strategy where the differentiation between classes of transport (and customer segments for that matter) is very distinct. Having a class with itemized elements and basic service - why not, if tickets are really cheap. And then upfront some real premium offering. Trouble is that today both the front and the back cabin products get devalued, and both are often- though not always - overpriced. More coherence would be welcome.
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Old Oct 15, 2009, 2:14 am
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Dutch version:

Onderwerp: Nieuw bagagebeleid tussen Europa en Verenigde Staten

Nieuw bagagebeleid tussen Europa en Verenigde Staten

Met ingang van 1 november 2009 herzien KLM en Air France, in lijn met een aantal andere luchtvaartmaatschappijen, hun prijzen voor ruimbagage op vluchten tussen Europa en de VS. Dit houdt in dat:
• er één bagagestuk met een gewicht van maximaal 23 kg kosteloos kan worden meegenomen,
• er op Economy Class-vluchten tussen Europa en de VS een toeslag geldt voor extra bagagestukken.

De toeslag voor het tweede bagagestuk bedraagt:
• EUR 50 bij vertrek vanuit Europa (enkele reis)
• USD 50 bij vertrek vanuit de VS (enkele reis)

De toeslag geldt voor tickets afgegeven op of na 1 november 2009, ongeacht de reisdatum. De CRS’en zijn per die datum aangepast.
Betaling kan plaatsvinden op de luchthaven of via Internet Check-in op www.klm.nl. Indien via Internet Check-in wordt betaald, geldt een korting van 20%.

Uitzonderingen
Voor Flying Blue Elite-deelnemers (Silver, Gold en Platinum) geldt deze toeslag niet. Ook op passagiers in First Class, (World) Business Class, Premium Voyageur en Club 2000/Skipper-passagiers is de toeslag niet van toepassing.
Voor kinderen jonger dan 2 jaar (zonder geboekte stoel) mag de gebruikelijke hoeveelheid handbagage worden meegenomen en mag één bagagestuk van maximaal 10 kg worden ingecheckt. Voor een eventueel tweede bagagestuk geldt de toeslag van EUR50/USD50.
Passagiers met een mobiliteitsbeperking mogen hun medische attributen nog steeds gratis meenemen (mits aangevraagd in de boeking). Daarnaast krijgen zij een extra vrijstelling voor een bagagestuk van maximaal 23 kg voor vluchten waarop het piece concept van toepassing is. Ook dit moet worden aangevraagd in de boeking, middels catchword XBAG en aantal kilo’s, gevolgd door ‘MEDICAL FOC’ (= free of charge) en korte inhoud van de bagage.


Reizen met sportuitrustingen
Ook voor sportuitrustingen zijn de kosten gewijzigd:
• Golftassen van maximaal 23 kg mogen gratis worden meegenomen als tweede bagagestuk als de hele reis wordt gemaakt met uitsluitend door KLM of Air France uitgevoerde vluchten.
• Voor andere sportuitrustingen, zoals ingepakte duikuitrustingen*, fietsen, surfuitrustingen** of ski’s geldt de toeslag wel, indien meegenomen als tweede bagagestuk. Een dergelijke uitrusting telt als één bagagestuk en mag niet meer wegen dan 23 kg.
N.B.: indien uitsluitend met de sportuitrusting en handbagage wordt gereisd, geldt de sportbagage als eerste bagagestuk en is de toeslag niet van toepassing.
* mits goed verpakt in een tas of koffer, anders is de toeslag EUR 200/USD 200 ** de toeslag voor surfplanken langer dan 107 cm is EUR 200/USD 200
• Voor elke extra sportuitrusting die als overbagage (met een maximumgewicht van 23 kg) wordt meegenomen, geldt een toeslag van EUR 200/USD 200 per stuk.
Reizen met huisdieren
Het vervoer van huisdieren valt niet onder de gratis bagagevrijstelling. De volgende kosten zijn van toepassing:
Vervoer in de cabine: kleine huisdieren zijn toegestaan in de cabine, mits het huisdier en de kennel samen niet meer wegen dan 6 kg. De toeslag per huisdier is EUR 200 op vluchten vanuit Europa en USD 200 vanuit de VS.
Vervoer in het ruim: grotere huisdieren mogen in het ruim worden vervoerd, mits het huisdier en de kennel samen niet meer wegen dan 75 kg. De toeslag hiervoor is EUR 200 op vluchten vanuit Europa en USD 200 vanuit de VS. Reist uw huisdier via Schiphol en is de transfertijd meer dan twee uur, dan wordt een vaste toeslag van EUR 150 in rekening gebracht voor de verzorging van het dier tijdens het overstappen.

I do not have time to translate it at the moment, but will do so tomorrow. The next e-mail KLM sent out was that it would also apply for flights to Canada.
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Old Oct 15, 2009, 4:39 am
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You were lucky, or maybe flying full fare or in first class. I was charged by both NW and DL. CO on the other hand did not charge me.
I was in domestic first indeed, but upgraded a few days in advance (FB Plat). I was travelling in a deeply discounted fare.
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Old Oct 20, 2009, 3:17 pm
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Angry New seat policy for America-Europe flight

I've just received this astonishing e-mail:

Air France Introduces a Revised Baggage Policy

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

New York – October 19, 2009 – Effective with tickets issued November 1, 2009, Air France will introduce a revised baggage policy for customers traveling in Economy Class between the US and Europe including Algeria, Morocco and Tunisia (see complete list below*). Passengers will be able to check one bag, weighing up to 50 pounds (23 kilos), free of charge. If passengers would like to check a second bag, with the same maximum weight allowance, they may do so for a fee of $50 for all flights departing from the US or 50 Euros for all flights departing from Europe. Additionally, the fee for checked bags weighing between 50 and 70 pounds (23 to 32 kilos) will increase from 50 dollars or Euros to 100 dollars or Euros. Beyond the second checked bag, additional bags of the same maximum weight will be charged 200 dollars or Euros.**

The following customers continue to receive a baggage allowance of 2 pieces of checked baggage up to 50 pounds each in Economy Class free of charge:
• Flying Blue Platinum, Gold and Silver members
• SkyTeam Elite and Elite Plus Frequent Flyer members
• Passengers traveling on special Seaman’s fares.

The following customers benefit from a baggage allowance of 2 pieces of checked luggage up to 70 pounds each free of charge:
• Club 2000 and Skipper members
• Passengers booked in Air France’s new Premium Voyageur Class.

The baggage allowance rules have not changed for those passengers flying in First or Business Class.
For further information on the rules of baggage allowance visit airfrance.us.

*European countries: Albania, Algeria, Andorra, Armenia, Austria, Azerbaijan, Belarus, Belgium, Bosnia-Herzegovina, Bulgaria, Croatia, Cyprus, Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Faroe Islands, Finland, France, Georgia, Germany, Greece, Gibraltar, Hungary, Iceland, Ireland, Isle of Man, Italy, Jersey, Latvia, Liechtenstein, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Macedonia, Malta, Moldavia, Monaco, Montenegro, Morocco, The Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Romania, Russia, San Marino, Serbia, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, Tunisia, Turkey, Ukraine, United Kingdom.
**Size allowance remains the same.
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