Taxes and fees on flying bleu... WOW!

Old Jun 7, 05, 10:01 am
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Taxes and fees on flying bleu... WOW!

Was doing some sample bookings on FB award booking engine and getting some amazingly high costs for a free ticket.

for example, on LAX-TXL (Berlin) was getting 67 euros under fare (fuel surcharge perhaps?) and 170 euros approximately on taxes for a total of about 237 euros per ticket both for economy and business class. This seems high even by the previos FD tax calculations on free tickets. Has anyone else found similar levels of cost? Can anyone confirm that the 67 euros is fuel surcharge and that the tax calculations are (reasonably) accurate.

Seems like a lot of money for a 'free' ticket!
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Old Jun 7, 05, 12:38 pm
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Originally Posted by newK2
for example, on LAX-TXL (Berlin) was getting 67 euros under fare (fuel surcharge perhaps?) and 170 euros approximately on taxes for a total of about 237 euros per ticket both for economy and business class. Can anyone confirm that the 67 euros is fuel surcharge and that the tax calculations are (reasonably) accurate.

Seems like a lot of money for a 'free' ticket!
Unless I am mistaken, the current fuel surcharge for segments on AF (LAX-CDG-TXL and back), if your flights are operated by AF, would currently be : 68 euros for the long-haul segments and 16 euros for the medium-haul segments.

AF has implemented the fuel surcharge in 4 steps :

1) May 19th, 2004
Long-haul : 3 euros
Medium-haul : 3 euros
Domestic : 3 euros
Threshold : 30 US $

2) August 24th, 2004
Long-haul, except COI : 12 euros
COI : 10 euros
Medium-haul : 3 euros
Domestic : 2 euros
Threshold : 35 US $

3) October 11th, 2004
Long-haul : 11 euros
Threshold : 40 US $

4) April 20th, 2005
Long-haul : 8 euros
Medium-haul : 2 euros
Domestic : 1 euro
Threshold : 45 US $

Each fuel surcharge will be rescinded when, for 30 consecutive days, the price of a barrel of Brent on the IPE goes down to the threshold or below.

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Old Jun 8, 05, 12:35 am
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KLM has a contract that is long term fixed price for fuel !!!! it has not had a price increase during the last 6 months
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Old Jun 8, 05, 2:04 am
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What complete rip-off.
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Old Jun 8, 05, 2:29 am
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Originally Posted by JOUY31
Each fuel surcharge will be rescinded when, for 30 consecutive days, the price of a barrel of Brent on the IPE goes down to the threshold or below.
yes, i am sure they are honnest and that as soon as the barrel of brent will stay more than 30 days below 30 USD, they will cancel such surcharges.

... on the other hand i believe they are not so stupid and that they want to make money at each opportunity. They will therefore apply the following principle: if passengers could pay our extreme fuel surcharges in additition of the taxes and the ticket price... they can still pay this therefore we increase the price of the ticket by an equivalent amount.

Of course, it won't be made simulatneously but gradually and with something like this as reason "in order to face current security costs and always higher maintenance costs for your safety, the ticket price will increase by 30 EUR or xx% beginning april 20xx"

wait and see...
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Old Jun 8, 05, 4:18 am
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Originally Posted by Steve Fenton
KLM has a contract that is long term fixed price for fuel !!!! it has not had a price increase during the last 6 months
I guess the fuel surcharge for award flights depends on the operating carrier. If it is AF, it would seem logical for the fuel surcharge to apply.
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Old Jun 8, 05, 4:26 am
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Originally Posted by lallyr
What complete rip-off.
Current fuel surcharges on BA :
1) for tickets purchased in the UK
- long-haul : 16 GBP per sector
- short-haul : 6 GBP per sector
So, it would cost 44 GBP on BA and 84 EUR on AF

2) for tickets purchased in Europe
- long-haul : 27 EUR per sector
- short-haul : 13 EUR per sector
So, it would cost 80 EUR on BA and 84 EUR on AF

3) for tickets purchased outside Europe
- long-haul : 35 USD per sector
- short-haul : 16 USD per sector
So, it would cost 102 USD on BA and 84 EUR on AF

Not much difference outside the UK.
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