NEW Programs AF-KLM "FLYING BLUE"
Apr 6, 2005, 11:14 am
#121
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Paris
Programs: FB Platinum, Krisflyer Gold, Die-hard Saint's fan !
Posts: 380
It's now official
It is now official : AF will distibute platinium to all members that earned 90K qmiles in 2004 AND to all current F+ rouge holders for more than 10 years in a row.
Afterwards, the rules of flying blue will become available from 05/06/2005 midnight.
It seems that the F+ staff was just briefed about this according to the sentences they used ("it is now official... we can confirm that...")
Thank god I earned 96400 qmiles last year
Afterwards, the rules of flying blue will become available from 05/06/2005 midnight.
It seems that the F+ staff was just briefed about this according to the sentences they used ("it is now official... we can confirm that...")
Thank god I earned 96400 qmiles last year
Apr 6, 2005, 11:29 am
#122
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: JNB
Programs: Air France Platinum - Qatar Airways Gold
Posts: 1,659
Frequence Blus
Originally Posted by bbr2808
status based on 2004 activity, or 2005 if you have already enough qualif miles
silver 30k for french and 25k for non french
gold 60k for french and 40k for non french
plt 90k for french and 70k for non french
silver 30k for french and 25k for non french
gold 60k for french and 40k for non french
plt 90k for french and 70k for non french
Am I still supposed to vote "OUI" for the UE constitution referendum?
Apr 6, 2005, 11:30 am
#123
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: SXB
Programs: FB Silver, BA Silver, BD Gold rememberer, IHG Diamond Royal Ambassador, Hilton and Marriott Gold
Posts: 2,581
Originally Posted by Falco Peregrinus
Easy! 
10 domestic flights full fare (20,000 m) + 8 european flights in Tempo Challenge (24,000 m) + 3 flights to the US in J/C (36,000 m) + 1 flight to Asia in Y ( 
) (11,000 m).
10 domestic flights full fare (20,000 m) + 8 european flights in Tempo Challenge (24,000 m) + 3 flights to the US in J/C (36,000 m) + 1 flight to Asia in Y ( ) (11,000 m).Now, a harder contest: what's the most expansive way to get Plat FB ?
There is a kind of double sentence here: having to fly more AND at higher fares simply because I live near AF's hub... c'est pas juste 
Apr 6, 2005, 12:03 pm
#124
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: SXB
Programs: FB Silver, BA Silver, BD Gold rememberer, IHG Diamond Royal Ambassador, Hilton and Marriott Gold
Posts: 2,581
Originally Posted by Serpentos
It is now official : AF will distibute platinium to all members that earned 90K qmiles in 2004 AND to all current F+ rouge holders for more than 10 years in a row.
Afterwards, the rules of flying blue will become available from 05/06/2005 midnight.
Afterwards, the rules of flying blue will become available from 05/06/2005 midnight.
Thank god I earned 96400 qmiles last year
Apr 6, 2005, 2:23 pm
#125
Moderator: Flying Blue (Air France & KLM), France and TravelBuzz!
Join Date: Jan 2001
Location: Paris, France, AF F+ Rouge pour toujours, Flying Blue whatever, LH FTL, HHonors Gold, formerly proud SCC Executive, now IC Ambassador, BA down to nobody, Grand Voyageur Le Club
Posts: 12,403
Originally Posted by Richelieu
Well, 10 consecutive years Rouge card holders should get Plat anyway when FB comes into effect. So giving the card mid-april instead doesn't look like a great bonus
At 90k, this is the highest threshold in ST for top level elite, isn't it? Delta PM is 75k, CSA OK Plus Gold is 50k, Aeromexico Club Premier Platino is 80,000km or 50 kmiles, Alitalia Freccia Alata is 75k and so is Continental Platinum Elite...
At 90k, this is the highest threshold in ST for top level elite, isn't it? Delta PM is 75k, CSA OK Plus Gold is 50k, Aeromexico Club Premier Platino is 80,000km or 50 kmiles, Alitalia Freccia Alata is 75k and so is Continental Platinum Elite...
Apr 6, 2005, 3:54 pm
#127
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Leeds ,Yorks UK
Programs: KLM Flying Blue Platinum for Life.. BA Gold , oh and some other shiny bits of plastic ...
Posts: 4,238
Originally Posted by hfly
There is a big huge seminar occurring in France next week with literally hundreds of KLM and Af people flying in from around the world to learn about the new programme.
Apr 6, 2005, 4:31 pm
#129
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: SXB
Programs: FB Silver, BA Silver, BD Gold rememberer, IHG Diamond Royal Ambassador, Hilton and Marriott Gold
Posts: 2,581
Originally Posted by JOUY31
Does the class of service bonus count for elite status in these FF programs ?
Apr 6, 2005, 7:37 pm
#130
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Houston, TX
Posts: 97
Originally Posted by JOUY31
This would definitely be very bad news. It would mean that, unless all current F+ Rouge members are moved to FB Platinum, many current F+ Rouge members would no longer have access to lounges, regardless of the class of service flown; they would have it only when flying AF or KL, and not when flying AZ, OK, AM, CO, DL, NW or KE (and future SkyTeam additions).
This brings AFs benefits more in line with its ST partners. Previously, F+ members could get lounge access throughout the alliance after only 40/60k miles, whereas CO/NW/DL members need 75k. FB softens the blow by giving lounge access at CDG and Schiphol at 40/60k miles. And for non-French members, this benefit is given after 70k miles, 5k fewer than other programs.
This distortion was great while it lasted, but, realistically, it probably had to end sooner rather than later.
Apr 6, 2005, 7:45 pm
#131
Join Date: Aug 2001
Posts: 3,673
Originally Posted by Angostura
This distortion was great while it lasted, but, realistically, it probably had to end sooner rather than later.
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Apr 6, 2005, 7:57 pm
#132
Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: Napa, California - DL demoted to xx, AF+ Rouge, FB Platinum
Programs: Air France, Delta
Posts: 511
Originally Posted by Angostura
This brings AFs benefits more in line with its ST partners. Previously, F+ members could get lounge access throughout the alliance after only 40/60k miles, whereas CO/NW/DL members need 75k. FB softens the blow by giving lounge access at CDG and Schiphol at 40/60k miles. And for non-French members, this benefit is given after 70k miles, 5k fewer than other programs.
This distortion was great while it lasted, but, realistically, it probably had to end sooner rather than later.
This distortion was great while it lasted, but, realistically, it probably had to end sooner rather than later.
Apr 7, 2005, 12:47 am
#133
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Jan 2000
Posts: 15,347
Yeah if you think that lounge access is the be all and and all of elite status?!? For many of us, its nice occasionally but relatively unimportant either because we have no time to use them, or are already on premium tickets most of the time.
Apr 7, 2005, 3:18 am
#134
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Join Date: Apr 2001
Location: Reality, Freedom • Fly Tarom •
Programs: AF FB Platinum For Life (F+ Rouge VintageŽ) / Hertz President's Circle / SNCF Grand Voyageur Le Club
Posts: 10,077
Originally Posted by Angostura
This brings AFs benefits more in line with its ST partners. Previously, F+ members could get lounge access throughout the alliance after only 40/60k miles, whereas CO/NW/DL members need 75k. FB softens the blow by giving lounge access at CDG and Schiphol at 40/60k miles. And for non-French members, this benefit is given after 70k miles, 5k fewer than other programs.
This distortion was great while it lasted, but, realistically, it probably had to end sooner rather than later.
This distortion was great while it lasted, but, realistically, it probably had to end sooner rather than later.
AF's elite program had no really major published competitive benefits other than lounge access for Rouge: no upgrades (except from full fare), 50% mileage bonus (except North America) rather than 100%, etc.
Furthermore, as noted above, lounge access requirements at 60k for F+ Rouge was already higher than for mid-level elites in rival alliance programs such Star (+/- 50k); the 6Ok requirement remains the same for mid-level FB Golds, so I don't see why lounge access would be modified.
My interpretation of the cryptic "CDG/SPL" remarks for lounge access in the FB member kits is that Golds will have access to AF/KL lounges when flying AF/KL (and codeshares like DL) at all airports, not just CDG/SPL, and probably on international journeys only. Plats will have, of course, have systemwide SkyTeam lounge access.
But I may be wrong.
Last edited by blairvanhorn; Apr 7, 2005 at 6:42 am Reason: Spelling, clarity.
Apr 7, 2005, 3:28 am
#135
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Originally Posted by hfly
Yeah if you think that lounge access is the be all and and all of elite status?!?
Originally Posted by hfly
For many of us, its nice occasionally but relatively unimportant either because we have no time to use them, or are already on premium tickets most of the time.
No time to use the lounges? Aren't you the one who is always complaining about how crappy AF is, including rants about how they are constantly late? I would think you would treasure lounge access for such chronic delays with your carrier ...
Oh, I forgot, you have been actively boycotting AF for several years (except for complaining about them here in this forum).