Impact on transport of ongoing political disputes and strike actions
Mar 20, 23, 8:05 am
#76
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I’m in the CDG 2E Hall K lounge right now. My flight to YUL has been delayed for 3 hours. AF told me it is due to a mechanical problem. I hear some people flying to various destination waiting for their delayed flight for the same reason.
Last edited by LearningToFly; Mar 20, 23 at 8:18 am Reason: Terminal precision
Mar 20, 23, 8:56 am
#77
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If I were AF, I would say strikes are the reason if that is the real reason. Strikes avoid AF to pay EU261 compensation. Mechanical mishaps with long delays make AF liable for EU261.
Mar 20, 23, 10:14 am
#78
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Thanks for your answer. I did’nt know. With AC, mechanical problems have been a way to escape liabilty for a long time (it has officially changed though).
Mar 20, 23, 10:35 am
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Thanks. We got moved to the L gates, I believe that there is a nap area in the L lounge - will investigate soon.
Our flight was delayed by over 4 hrs and is the only one delayed on the board today. This screws up quite a bit of the trip. Wondering if this could potentially be caused by something other than the strikes - it does sound odd to me having only one flight affected. Unfortunately I don't know the registration of the a/c originally scheduled to execute the flight to see if there was a delay elsewhere.
Our flight was delayed by over 4 hrs and is the only one delayed on the board today. This screws up quite a bit of the trip. Wondering if this could potentially be caused by something other than the strikes - it does sound odd to me having only one flight affected. Unfortunately I don't know the registration of the a/c originally scheduled to execute the flight to see if there was a delay elsewhere.
Mar 20, 23, 10:52 am
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Thanks. We got moved to the L gates, I believe that there is a nap area in the L lounge - will investigate soon.
Our flight was delayed by over 4 hrs and is the only one delayed on the board today. This screws up quite a bit of the trip. Wondering if this could potentially be caused by something other than the strikes - it does sound odd to me having only one flight affected. Unfortunately I don't know the registration of the a/c originally scheduled to execute the flight to see if there was a delay elsewhere.
Our flight was delayed by over 4 hrs and is the only one delayed on the board today. This screws up quite a bit of the trip. Wondering if this could potentially be caused by something other than the strikes - it does sound odd to me having only one flight affected. Unfortunately I don't know the registration of the a/c originally scheduled to execute the flight to see if there was a delay elsewhere.
Mar 20, 23, 12:20 pm
#81
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While there are some slight delays it seems that most flights departed reasonably ontime (or within one hour), so indeed your flights might have been delayed due to other than strike reasons. Montreal sure had a change of aircraft since the 350 operating the flight arrived from EZE at 1545 (and the scheduled departure to YUL is 1450 - so that’s an aircraft swap). Smells EC261 to me…
Mar 20, 23, 11:42 pm
#82
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My 20 March flight indeed was not affected. 10 minutes late due to some delay in opening for boarding and a slow boarding process in an A321 with people having trouble finding place for their hand luggage. The AF (!) flight was without wine (!), beers and other drinks served. Excuse of the FA 'it is a short flight' (???? Sure, it was 45 min but they provided full service as usual on this flight, and drinking a beer takes as much time as drinking a wine I guess????? Then better explain that catering was not fully loaded or so due to strikes?)
Mar 21, 23, 12:32 pm
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On board the purser told me the delay was caused by a technical issue. And in fact I was able to verify that the ac was supposed to fly in the day before from Afrika, but then remained on the ground there for the night and only flew back to CDG with 10+ hr delay.
We departed CDG with close to 5 hrs delay and touched down at like the 3:55 delay mark. Long taxi, on stand 3:58. Doors disarmed at 3:59 delay. Doors opened at 4:04 hr delay compared to the original arrival time. Actual arrival time is calculated from door opening time right?
We departed CDG with close to 5 hrs delay and touched down at like the 3:55 delay mark. Long taxi, on stand 3:58. Doors disarmed at 3:59 delay. Doors opened at 4:04 hr delay compared to the original arrival time. Actual arrival time is calculated from door opening time right?
Mar 22, 23, 1:18 am
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On board the purser told me the delay was caused by a technical issue. And in fact I was able to verify that the ac was supposed to fly in the day before from Afrika, but then remained on the ground there for the night and only flew back to CDG with 10+ hr delay.
We departed CDG with close to 5 hrs delay and touched down at like the 3:55 delay mark. Long taxi, on stand 3:58. Doors disarmed at 3:59 delay. Doors opened at 4:04 hr delay compared to the original arrival time. Actual arrival time is calculated from door opening time right?
We departed CDG with close to 5 hrs delay and touched down at like the 3:55 delay mark. Long taxi, on stand 3:58. Doors disarmed at 3:59 delay. Doors opened at 4:04 hr delay compared to the original arrival time. Actual arrival time is calculated from door opening time right?
Mar 22, 23, 1:37 am
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"3.3.3. Measuring the delay at arrival and concept of time of arrival
The Court has concluded that the concept of ‘time of arrival’, which is used to determine the length of the delay to which passengers on a flight have been subject if arrival is delayed, corresponds to the time at which at least one of the doors of the aircraft is opened, the assumption being that, at that moment, the passengers are permitted to leave the aircraft ( 31).The Commission considers that the operating air carrier should register the time of arrival on the basis of, for instance, a signed declaration by the flight crew or handling agent. The time of arrival should be provided free of charge upon request to the national enforcement body and the passengers where the operating air carrier seeks to rely on the arrival time as evidence of compliance with the Regulation."
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The Court has concluded that the concept of ‘time of arrival’, which is used to determine the length of the delay to which passengers on a flight have been subject if arrival is delayed, corresponds to the time at which at least one of the doors of the aircraft is opened, the assumption being that, at that moment, the passengers are permitted to leave the aircraft ( 31).The Commission considers that the operating air carrier should register the time of arrival on the basis of, for instance, a signed declaration by the flight crew or handling agent. The time of arrival should be provided free of charge upon request to the national enforcement body and the passengers where the operating air carrier seeks to rely on the arrival time as evidence of compliance with the Regulation."
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Mar 22, 23, 1:38 am
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Mar 22, 23, 2:35 am
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(Live from CDG). Gotta be a bit flexible these days, even at CDG which supposedly is not affected by strikes.
In fact it is, such as this morning, when some ATC folks went on strike in Eastern France, delaying some departures. The thing is, AF and the departure boards in the airport are totally unreliable. Kept on showing “on time”. Speaking to AF staff in lounges or at the gate often gets you more accurate information. And, as witnessed first hand this morning, 3 hour delays can sometimes dwindle to 1 hour delays.
In fact it is, such as this morning, when some ATC folks went on strike in Eastern France, delaying some departures. The thing is, AF and the departure boards in the airport are totally unreliable. Kept on showing “on time”. Speaking to AF staff in lounges or at the gate often gets you more accurate information. And, as witnessed first hand this morning, 3 hour delays can sometimes dwindle to 1 hour delays.
Mar 23, 23, 6:07 am
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I also heard on the radio (RTL) that passengers had to reach the airport by foot at CDG due to blocked roads this morning (I think it was just briefly), plus there are serious concerns with the kerosene stock levels due to blocked refineries and airlines are asked to fill up at point of departure (rather than in France) where possible. This could work with short haul flights only or a long haul flight would need to make a technical stop nearby to fill up.
So keep monitoring the news and be ready for last minute changes. Arrive early (or spend the last night near the airport) to be safe.
Can a mod please rename this thread to “ongoing political disputes impacting French transports” (or something similar) as this doesn’t look like it will end anytime soon.
So keep monitoring the news and be ready for last minute changes. Arrive early (or spend the last night near the airport) to be safe.
Can a mod please rename this thread to “ongoing political disputes impacting French transports” (or something similar) as this doesn’t look like it will end anytime soon.
