New Air France subscription/ reduction cards
Jun 19, 21, 1:34 pm
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New Air France subscription/ reduction cards
They have changed the rules of the Junior, Senior and weekend Cards, and all cards can now also be used for travel throughout Europe, not only France. Reduced fees on cancellation and modifications as well. Article (from a source that is usually a bit “popular” and thus sloppy): https://www.lefigaro.fr/voyages/air-...geurs-20210618
i haven’t looked at the details yet. I just hope that’s it’s not the same über-complicated mess designed by bureaucrats as the new cards from SNCF.
i haven’t looked at the details yet. I just hope that’s it’s not the same über-complicated mess designed by bureaucrats as the new cards from SNCF.
Jun 19, 21, 3:20 pm
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This is great news and a big competitive advantage against LCC with the reduction proposed and the new flexibility conditions proposed, and for 49E/year. A very smart decision 
Note that the screenshot below is an official info from AF.
Also, those cards works only for journeys starting from France.
Note that the screenshot below is an official info from AF.
Also, those cards works only for journeys starting from France.
Jun 19, 21, 3:40 pm
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Jun 20, 21, 1:28 am
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Jun 20, 21, 1:34 am
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Jun 20, 21, 2:39 am
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Not sure about the Senior and Weekend but the Carte Jeune has been Europe wide for at least a couple of years (Europe, North Africa and narrowbody destinations in the Middle East).
The problem with these cards is AF issues them as a pdf and thats pretty much it. Shouldn't be too hard to have them in the app but what do I know.
Also, from experience, these cards are never checked.
The problem with these cards is AF issues them as a pdf and thats pretty much it. Shouldn't be too hard to have them in the app but what do I know.
Also, from experience, these cards are never checked.
Jun 20, 21, 8:53 am
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My senior card is checked on every single; flight.
It is in the AF system somewhere, but the gate agent do not have it available, so you must show it on the AF app or wallet. Silly.
It is in the AF system somewhere, but the gate agent do not have it available, so you must show it on the AF app or wallet. Silly.
Jun 20, 21, 11:16 am
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This is a very good change! I look forward to book such rates for Europe
Jun 20, 21, 12:43 pm
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Indeed, this is the main difference between the weekend card and the Senior card : you cannot book a WE fare if you don't have a valid WE card for the trip date, while you can book a Senior fare without having the Senior card but you need to have it at the time of the trip and it can be controlled at the airport. Some years ago, the Senior card was handled as the WE card is handled today. I don't know why they changed this.
Jun 20, 21, 1:45 pm
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Does anyone can book a WE fare in Europe ? I just tried to make a dummy booking CDG-EU in July and the WE fare is nowhere to be seen. And doing this I saw something interesting :
- if not logged in to my FB account : fare is 463€
- if logged in to my FB account : fare is 705 €
- if not logged in to my FB account : fare is 463€
- if logged in to my FB account : fare is 705 €
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Jun 20, 21, 2:17 pm
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I have tried simulating a senior fare ( assuming senior with card will be the same price as weekend card if rule of weekend is respected)
By example for a flight to ATH the 7/8/21 with 7.10 am departure and return the 14/8/21 with 7.55 pm departure : light fare is 1414 € and senior is 1342 € ; this is a good saving you can achieved; On return flight in France in the cheap fare the saving is 5 € by segment. Today benefit is limited for Silver and above as we have 1 free luggage anyway and free change and cancellation until end of 2021; In most case you will need probably more than 4 flight eligible over weekend to get benefit from the card.
The card will become more interesting in 2022 with the benefit to change flight for 10 € and cancel for 20 €;
It seems to work also with connecting flight via AMS.
By example for a flight to ATH the 7/8/21 with 7.10 am departure and return the 14/8/21 with 7.55 pm departure : light fare is 1414 € and senior is 1342 € ; this is a good saving you can achieved; On return flight in France in the cheap fare the saving is 5 € by segment. Today benefit is limited for Silver and above as we have 1 free luggage anyway and free change and cancellation until end of 2021; In most case you will need probably more than 4 flight eligible over weekend to get benefit from the card.
The card will become more interesting in 2022 with the benefit to change flight for 10 € and cancel for 20 €;
It seems to work also with connecting flight via AMS.
Jun 20, 21, 2:20 pm
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Indeed the JEUNE cards were already valid for European destinations before. Now also for Weekend and Senior. What is new are the (quite attractive) cancellation and change fees.
What remains an absolute utter nightmare, including many things that defy any common sense:
What remains an absolute utter nightmare, including many things that defy any common sense:
- Booking an itinerary for a family where one of the kids has a carte jeune. Impossible. The kid has to be booked separately. PNRs can be "linked", but the youngster won't have access to the same seats in the way he would have when on the same booking as his parents
- To book the Jeune itinerary, one has to select "Young 18-26 years old", even for a child younger than 18. Otherwise the "Does this person have a Jeune card" won't pop up
- Impossible to book an itinerary for two adults with one having a Weekend card and the other one not
Jun 20, 21, 3:07 pm
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Jun 20, 21, 3:23 pm
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I have tried simulating a senior fare ( assuming senior with card will be the same price as weekend card if rule of weekend is respected)
By example for a flight to ATH the 7/8/21 with 7.10 am departure and return the 14/8/21 with 7.55 pm departure : light fare is 1414 € and senior is 1342 € ; this is a good saving you can achieved; On return flight in France in the cheap fare the saving is 5 € by segment. Today benefit is limited for Silver and above as we have 1 free luggage anyway and free change and cancellation until end of 2021; In most case you will need probably more than 4 flight eligible over weekend to get benefit from the card.
The card will become more interesting in 2022 with the benefit to change flight for 10 € and cancel for 20 €;
It seems to work also with connecting flight via AMS.
By example for a flight to ATH the 7/8/21 with 7.10 am departure and return the 14/8/21 with 7.55 pm departure : light fare is 1414 € and senior is 1342 € ; this is a good saving you can achieved; On return flight in France in the cheap fare the saving is 5 € by segment. Today benefit is limited for Silver and above as we have 1 free luggage anyway and free change and cancellation until end of 2021; In most case you will need probably more than 4 flight eligible over weekend to get benefit from the card.
The card will become more interesting in 2022 with the benefit to change flight for 10 € and cancel for 20 €;
It seems to work also with connecting flight via AMS.
. If not logged-in, I see all fares (light, standard, flex, but no WE fares obviously as you need to have a WE card linked).Indeed the JEUNE cards were already valid for European destinations before. Now also for Weekend and Senior. What is new are the (quite attractive) cancellation and change fees.
What remains an absolute utter nightmare, including many things that defy any common sense:
What remains an absolute utter nightmare, including many things that defy any common sense:
- Booking an itinerary for a family where one of the kids has a carte jeune. Impossible. The kid has to be booked separately. PNRs can be "linked", but the youngster won't have access to the same seats in the way he would have when on the same booking as his parents
- To book the Jeune itinerary, one has to select "Young 18-26 years old", even for a child younger than 18. Otherwise the "Does this person have a Jeune card" won't pop up
- Impossible to book an itinerary for two adults with one having a Weekend card and the other one not
