Lost luggage and Air France doesn't care
#31
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it's weird, luggage was found on Feb 7th (2 days after travel). But lost again at Le Kube on February 12th. Now 21 days later since the flight they've admited official lost and are only willing to offer 900 euros as goodwill to cover luggage items. I had items in it that were valued at 3,000$ USD and I am trying to explain this to them. Even the Montreal convention states 1,600 euros I wonder how and why they are low balling me with 900 euros. I swear this is unreal and incredible and very hard to keep my cool with AF. Any tips on how to go about this?
I found the head manager at Le Kube on LinkedIn who admitted they've done physical search but have not found it. On the system is shows a last seen physical location but in reality it is not there.(stolen? disappeared?)
I found the head manager at Le Kube on LinkedIn who admitted they've done physical search but have not found it. On the system is shows a last seen physical location but in reality it is not there.(stolen? disappeared?)
I cannot account for the EUR 900 and do not know if you have submitted a claim as of yet. But, you should do so and provide the valuations proving the EUR 3,000. You will not receive more than the EUR 1,342. Bear in mind that you are due the fair market value of your loss, not the replacement cost. Thus, a shirt which cost EUR 100 and has been worn 5 times is not worth that much.
Any excess would be for your travel insurance.
#32
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Ok well .... after more than a month I admit defeat. AF just wired my 1350 euros and that's it.
My luggage is still at CDG and has been found but they don't want to send it back. No personnel, phone lines disconnected, no replies to internal emails. It's just sitting there, and will be destroyed in 2months apparently. I have given up trying to have them send it.
the joke of it all is the agent who took my case in charged and wired me the amount ends her email "we hope to see you onboard our aircrafts very soon and fulfill your every need". I'm a Start Alliance flyer, I had only taken this AF flight because there's literally no more transatlantic flights offered. Guess I was wrong to give AF a change after 9 years of no flying with them. Guess I still won't fly them anymore.
My luggage is still at CDG and has been found but they don't want to send it back. No personnel, phone lines disconnected, no replies to internal emails. It's just sitting there, and will be destroyed in 2months apparently. I have given up trying to have them send it.
the joke of it all is the agent who took my case in charged and wired me the amount ends her email "we hope to see you onboard our aircrafts very soon and fulfill your every need". I'm a Start Alliance flyer, I had only taken this AF flight because there's literally no more transatlantic flights offered. Guess I was wrong to give AF a change after 9 years of no flying with them. Guess I still won't fly them anymore.
#33
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I had the opposite experience last week. I flew CDG to SXM and when I got there my bag did not show up. The agent seemed to know this and asked me where they should send it to. I was flying SXM-ANU the next morning but the CDG flight with (hopefully) my bag would only get in at ca 1430, so they promised to put it on the evening flight to Antigua. WorldTracer was a bit of a mess, but it arrived as promised and was delivered to the yacht that evening. Great service after a very nice flight.
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I had the opposite experience last week. I flew CDG to SXM and when I got there my bag did not show up. The agent seemed to know this and asked me where they should send it to. I was flying SXM-ANU the next morning but the CDG flight with (hopefully) my bag would only get in at ca 1430, so they promised to put it on the evening flight to Antigua. WorldTracer was a bit of a mess, but it arrived as promised and was delivered to the yacht that evening. Great service after a very nice flight.
Maybe your Platinum status could help me get me my bag ... all I seem to speak to are people who barely speak english or french and don't know what worldtracer is.
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There are no generalizations.
The vast majority of bags which are separated from a passenger are on one of the next few flights and then delivered. A smaller percentage take a while and a minute percentage never make it.
But, there don't seem to be any particular factors which cut one way or the other as to whether one sees one's bag and, if so, when.
Hopefully travel insurance will pick up any balance over the EUR 1,350.
The vast majority of bags which are separated from a passenger are on one of the next few flights and then delivered. A smaller percentage take a while and a minute percentage never make it.
But, there don't seem to be any particular factors which cut one way or the other as to whether one sees one's bag and, if so, when.
Hopefully travel insurance will pick up any balance over the EUR 1,350.
#36
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Friendly, helpful, and efficient after service, bag was delivered within 30 hours of my arrival. I have no AF status and was flying business, which I doubt made a difference.
#37
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Is it possible my luggage is still in the belly of that A319 and never unloaded? Doubtful right? I'm just stunned, it is my first time losing a luggage for more than 24 hours. I fly on average 60 flights a year, Covid got me down to 20 a year.
I keep checking everyday that worldtracer, without any hope. Air France just tells me to wait the 21th day "as protocol" but they make it sound like as if they know it will never be found, but just for the heck of it wait a few more weeks for .. no help.
I keep checking everyday that worldtracer, without any hope. Air France just tells me to wait the 21th day "as protocol" but they make it sound like as if they know it will never be found, but just for the heck of it wait a few more weeks for .. no help.
The 21st day thing I would assume is just a date for them to throw in the towel. They don't have baggage "cold cases" or anything, the bags still may turn up but there's unclaimed luggage auctions for a reason. With no name tag, and no paper inside (tbh I've never done that, but I do have a nametag) even if they found it, they wouldn't really have much of a way to know to get it to you. It COULD end up in the reconciliation office, where they go through them one by one, but that's super slow which is why they don't really bother with stuff that's been gone that long.
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The 21st day is specified in the Montreal Convention. At that point, the passenger is entitled to the fair market value of his bag and its contents up to a maximum of SDR 1,130. Nothing magic about it. Simply the law.
Most carriers use the same dates and limits for domestic tickets as well, although some countries such as the US have higher dollar limits.
Just to be clear, the number of bags which go missing for more than 1-2 days is infintesimal. Thus, most carriers got rid of people who engaged in reconciliation many years ago.
Most carriers use the same dates and limits for domestic tickets as well, although some countries such as the US have higher dollar limits.
Just to be clear, the number of bags which go missing for more than 1-2 days is infintesimal. Thus, most carriers got rid of people who engaged in reconciliation many years ago.
#39
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I'm not sure if we're talking about the same thing here...every airline has agents who coordinate getting "found" luggage back to the customers. I mean we can split hairs about calling them baggage reconciliation, or baggage agents, whatever you want...but everyone has them. In any case the whole point was that while these people exist, finding 1 bag in an airport of size is near impossible, it usually comes down to blind luck or someone like me going out of their way to look for it in specific high chance areas, then still blind luck.
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Day 45: someone just knocked on my door and had my luggage
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Ok this was weird.
No communication was ever made to say "hey we located it, we have it, its on its way, expect us soon". None of that. Yeah I'm happy they wired me the SDR compensation and that I got my luggage back, but 45 days? No communication? Come on AF
.....
Ok this was weird.
No communication was ever made to say "hey we located it, we have it, its on its way, expect us soon". None of that. Yeah I'm happy they wired me the SDR compensation and that I got my luggage back, but 45 days? No communication? Come on AF
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Day 45: someone just knocked on my door and had my luggage
.....
Ok this was weird.
No communication was ever made to say "hey we located it, we have it, its on its way, expect us soon". None of that. Yeah I'm happy they wired me the SDR compensation and that I got my luggage back, but 45 days? No communication? Come on AF
.....
Ok this was weird.
No communication was ever made to say "hey we located it, we have it, its on its way, expect us soon". None of that. Yeah I'm happy they wired me the SDR compensation and that I got my luggage back, but 45 days? No communication? Come on AF
#45
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Day 45: someone just knocked on my door and had my luggage
.....
Ok this was weird.
No communication was ever made to say "hey we located it, we have it, its on its way, expect us soon". None of that. Yeah I'm happy they wired me the SDR compensation and that I got my luggage back, but 45 days? No communication? Come on AF
.....
Ok this was weird.
No communication was ever made to say "hey we located it, we have it, its on its way, expect us soon". None of that. Yeah I'm happy they wired me the SDR compensation and that I got my luggage back, but 45 days? No communication? Come on AF
It is a pain that the luggage got truly lost for a long period.
Unfortunately it happens with any airline, rarely but it does, and you were the unlucky one.
On the other hand you got your luggage back plus a significant amount of money.
I am a bit surprised about your last criticism that you would have preferred to receive a communication from AF rather than an immediate delivery. The luggage was finally found by the airport lost luggage team and immediately sent to you by courrier to the address you provided in the file. They probably also notified AF, but kudos to them for acting the delivery according to their file.
And kudos to AF for a happy financial ending to a very unpleasant situation.