FIH/BZV
Nov 13, 2020, 9:07 am
#1
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FIH/BZV
Hi everyone, I'm struggling to get any decent fares CDG/BZV/CDG in business for December. The flights appear to be wide open but the fares only come up in C class over 7K euros!! If anyone has any ideas or agents that may have private fares i would be grateful. FIH seems to be a lot cheaper and en route but that doesn't help me!
Thank you!
Thank you!
Nov 13, 2020, 10:10 am
#2
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Hi everyone, I'm struggling to get any decent fares CDG/BZV/CDG in business for December. The flights appear to be wide open but the fares only come up in C class over 7K euros!! If anyone has any ideas or agents that may have private fares i would be grateful. FIH seems to be a lot cheaper and en route but that doesn't help me!
Thank you!
Thank you!
One comment if you're CDG-based, you can get the fare down to 4k by positioning in LUX, €3500 from MAD,
Nov 13, 2020, 10:41 am
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Ok great thanks for the info. I did also see that ex FCO is really good. But unfortunately I just wont be able to start elsewhere. One other question in this case. Does AF offer upgrades for cash once a ticket has been purchased?
Nov 13, 2020, 12:11 pm
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Yes , for instance at checkin or when you arrive at counters before flight , but prices are not static , it depends on a lot of factors (route , price you paid , your booking class , load factors , period of the year , plus some secrets that AF dont mention ...)
Nov 14, 2020, 12:46 am
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Book ex FCO on an Italian Travel Agent site then call up AF to drop the first segment. Iberia has a defined process for complying with the Italian law that allows "skipping segments" but it has to be issued in Italy.
Nov 14, 2020, 1:11 am
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Ahh yes! I remember reading about this a while back. Have you done such a maneuver? Can you literally call up as soon as ticketed to do this? Also would AF actually deal with me having bought the ticket through an agent?
Nov 14, 2020, 2:51 am
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https://www.airfrance.it/IT/en/local.../edito_cgv.htm
Better make double sure it is issued in Italy and use a VPN for an Italian IP.
All airlines have a similar clause:sine 2019:
Italian Point of Sale and Using Flight Legs Out of Sequence
It seems a bit risky. First the pax has to no-show, then notify the airline within 24h after the departure time of the unused flight (that's what the law says).
If you originally booked a short transit at CDG that gives you very little time to get it processed. And the remaining flights will probably be originally cancelled once you no-show.
Any people with AF experience of the process?
Last edited by brunos; Nov 14, 2020 at 3:07 am
Nov 14, 2020, 7:49 am
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I did a random search and you can have a "19" hour layover in CDG.. more than enough time to call/cancel/fix the ticket...
All in price of EUR 2201 versus EUR 7126
All in price of EUR 2201 versus EUR 7126
Nov 14, 2020, 1:12 pm
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By way of derogation from the paragraph above, for passengers with Air France tickets purchased in Italy through www.airfrance.it or by means of Air France ticket offices, travel agencies or Air France call center, the following applies.
Such a passenger is not required to pay an additional fee due to a new calculation and any administrative costs if you inform Air France that you cannot, for any reason, use the ticket for that flight and still want to use the ticket for additional routes or, in the case of multi-destination trip, the return routes.
Nov 14, 2020, 8:10 pm
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You truncated the AF text. It says:
"Such a passenger is not required to pay an additional fee due to a new calculation and any administrative costs if you inform Air France that you cannot, for any reason, use the ticket for that flight and still want to use the ticket for additional routes or, in the case of multi-destination trip, the return routes.
Such communication must take place within 24 hours after the departure time of the first unused route of the outward flight or, if the departure time of the return flight is within 24 hours of unused flight, at least 2 hours before departure of the return flight by calling our Call Center at +39 0238591272. In the absence of such notice, such passenger will be treated in accordance with the provisions of the preceding paragraph."
The second paragraph makes it clear HOW you can inform AF. No other method/timing is considered. Airlines are using the exact language of the AGCM (Autoritŕ Garante della Concorrenza ed il Mercato) back in 2017, which makes it very difficult to use.
If that clause had been widely used since 2017, that would be well known. Airlines have probably succeeded in making it practically inoperational.
But with a verly long transfer (as mentioned above), it would be worth the try.
"Such a passenger is not required to pay an additional fee due to a new calculation and any administrative costs if you inform Air France that you cannot, for any reason, use the ticket for that flight and still want to use the ticket for additional routes or, in the case of multi-destination trip, the return routes.
Such communication must take place within 24 hours after the departure time of the first unused route of the outward flight or, if the departure time of the return flight is within 24 hours of unused flight, at least 2 hours before departure of the return flight by calling our Call Center at +39 0238591272. In the absence of such notice, such passenger will be treated in accordance with the provisions of the preceding paragraph."
The second paragraph makes it clear HOW you can inform AF. No other method/timing is considered. Airlines are using the exact language of the AGCM (Autoritŕ Garante della Concorrenza ed il Mercato) back in 2017, which makes it very difficult to use.
If that clause had been widely used since 2017, that would be well known. Airlines have probably succeeded in making it practically inoperational.
But with a verly long transfer (as mentioned above), it would be worth the try.
Nov 15, 2020, 8:38 am
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Ok, but do they ever offer upgrades on the manage booking section of the site, as for example BA does? Or is it just when very close to departure basically?
Nov 15, 2020, 9:33 am
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last year i was in Y , and when i tried to check the price of J from the app i was able to "upgrade myself" for 460€/550$
Last edited by fifty_two; Nov 15, 2020 at 10:23 am