Jan 31, 2024, 5:20 pm
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In 2024, customers will find La Premiere on to 11 destinations.
La Premiere is available if you are flying to Tokyo, Los Angeles, San Francisco, New-York City (JFK), Washington DC, Miami, Abidjan, Singapore,Mexico City*, Sao Paulo and Dubai.
*Please note that Air France will discontinue the La Premiere service on the Mexico City (MEX) route on the 31st of March.
In 2024, you will find La Premiere on the following flights :
(All flights are in / out of Paris CDG. Exact timing varies during the year. These times are based on departures and arrivals in the month of May or August (middle of 2024)).
From Paris to New York City (JFK) :
AF4 10:30 - 12:45
AF6 13:30 - 15:50
AF8 16:30 - 18:50 (This flight does not systematically offer P Product)
AF10 18:30 - 20:40 (This flight will not offer P product after the month of June)
From New York City (JFK) to Paris :
AF1 16:30 - 05:55+1
AF5 18:30 - 08:05+1
AF7 21:30 - 11:05+1 (This flight does not systematically offer P Product)
AF9 23:15 - 12:40+1 (This flight will not offer P product after the month of June)
From Paris to Los Angeles (LAX) :
AF20 08:45 - 11:25 (P Product on this flight only in July and August)
AF22 10:40 - 13:05
AF24 13:30 - 16:05
From Los Angeles (LAX) to Paris :
AF21 13:40 - 09:20+1 (P Product on this flight only in July and August)
AF23 15:20 - 11:15+1
AF25 18:30 - 14:20+1
From Paris to San Francisco (SFO) :
AF84 10:15 - 12:45
From San Francisco (SFO) to Paris :
AF83 15:00 - 10:50+1
From Paris to Abidjan (ABJ) :
AF702 14:35 - 18:55
From Abidjan (ABJ) to Paris :
AF703 21:30 - 05:55+1
From Paris to Singapore (SIN) :
AF256 21:15 - 16:30+1
From Singapore (SIN) to Paris :
AF257 22:30 - 06:10+1
From Paris to Miami (MIA) :
AF90 14:05 - 17:55
From Miami (MIA) to Paris :
AF99 20:15 - 11:15+1
From Paris to Tokyo Haneda (HND) :
AF274 22:00 - 18:30+1
From Tokyo Haneda (HND) to Paris :
AF293 00:05 - 07:55
From Paris to Washington (IAD) :
AF54 14:00 - 16:21
From Washington (IAD) to Paris :
AF55 18:45 - 08:05+1
From Paris to Sao Paulo (GRU) :
AF460 10:10 - 16:45
From Sao Paulo (GRU) to Paris :
AF459 18:55 - 11:05+1
From Paris to Dubai (DXB) :
AF662 13:45 - 22:25
From Dubai (DXB) to Paris :
AF655 00:40 - 06:00
From Paris to Mexico City (MEX) :
AF178 11:35 - 16:55 (ends in March)
From Mexico City (MEX) to Paris :
AF179 19:55 - 14:35+1 (ends in March)
Previously this travel class was available on the 772 too.
These flights are operated by a fleet of 19 specific 777-300ER (F-GSQA/B/C/F/G/H/I/J/K/L/M/U/V/Y and F-GZNA/B/C/D, and E)
Other routes that previously operated La Premiere service but are now terminated (as P service) included Osaka, Lagos, Beijing, Atlanta, Shanghai, Hong Kong, Chicago, Houston, Montreal and Johannesburg. (Or even the overnight flight to Sao Paulo for example.)
In 2024, customers will find La Premiere on to 11 destinations.
La Premiere is available if you are flying to Tokyo, Los Angeles, San Francisco, New-York City (JFK), Washington DC, Miami, Abidjan, Singapore,
*Please note that Air France will discontinue the La Premiere service on the Mexico City (MEX) route on the 31st of March.
In 2024, you will find La Premiere on the following flights :
(All flights are in / out of Paris CDG. Exact timing varies during the year. These times are based on departures and arrivals in the month of May or August (middle of 2024)).
From Paris to New York City (JFK) :
AF4 10:30 - 12:45
AF6 13:30 - 15:50
AF8 16:30 - 18:50 (This flight does not systematically offer P Product)
AF10 18:30 - 20:40 (This flight will not offer P product after the month of June)
From New York City (JFK) to Paris :
AF1 16:30 - 05:55+1
AF5 18:30 - 08:05+1
AF7 21:30 - 11:05+1 (This flight does not systematically offer P Product)
AF9 23:15 - 12:40+1 (This flight will not offer P product after the month of June)
From Paris to Los Angeles (LAX) :
AF20 08:45 - 11:25 (P Product on this flight only in July and August)
AF22 10:40 - 13:05
AF24 13:30 - 16:05
From Los Angeles (LAX) to Paris :
AF21 13:40 - 09:20+1 (P Product on this flight only in July and August)
AF23 15:20 - 11:15+1
AF25 18:30 - 14:20+1
From Paris to San Francisco (SFO) :
AF84 10:15 - 12:45
From San Francisco (SFO) to Paris :
AF83 15:00 - 10:50+1
From Paris to Abidjan (ABJ) :
AF702 14:35 - 18:55
From Abidjan (ABJ) to Paris :
AF703 21:30 - 05:55+1
From Paris to Singapore (SIN) :
AF256 21:15 - 16:30+1
From Singapore (SIN) to Paris :
AF257 22:30 - 06:10+1
From Paris to Miami (MIA) :
AF90 14:05 - 17:55
From Miami (MIA) to Paris :
AF99 20:15 - 11:15+1
From Paris to Tokyo Haneda (HND) :
AF274 22:00 - 18:30+1
From Tokyo Haneda (HND) to Paris :
AF293 00:05 - 07:55
From Paris to Washington (IAD) :
AF54 14:00 - 16:21
From Washington (IAD) to Paris :
AF55 18:45 - 08:05+1
From Paris to Sao Paulo (GRU) :
AF460 10:10 - 16:45
From Sao Paulo (GRU) to Paris :
AF459 18:55 - 11:05+1
From Paris to Dubai (DXB) :
AF662 13:45 - 22:25
From Dubai (DXB) to Paris :
AF655 00:40 - 06:00
From Paris to Mexico City (MEX) :
AF178 11:35 - 16:55 (ends in March)
From Mexico City (MEX) to Paris :
AF179 19:55 - 14:35+1 (ends in March)
Previously this travel class was available on the 772 too.
These flights are operated by a fleet of 19 specific 777-300ER (F-GSQA/B/C/F/G/H/I/J/K/L/M/U/V/Y and F-GZNA/B/C/D, and E)
Other routes that previously operated La Premiere service but are now terminated (as P service) included Osaka, Lagos, Beijing, Atlanta, Shanghai, Hong Kong, Chicago, Houston, Montreal and Johannesburg. (Or even the overnight flight to Sao Paulo for example.)
AF « La Première » Outlook
Jul 30, 2020, 4:10 am
#76
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Hong Kong, France
Programs: FB , BA Gold
Posts: 15,542
Indeed, the Travellers Club blog is depressing for AF P pax, but I find it quite realistic.
There were discussions about removing P when A380s would progressively disappear, and P possibly installed on some new 777s. With the now defunct A380s and the long lasting covid catastrophe, I doubt that there are serious plans to keep the 2019 P product. A handful of revenue F pax does not justify the costs.
It would be impossible to remove the P seats and retrofit given the current financial crisis and low J demand. It makes sense to keep the current seats as J+ for a couple of years until full retirement of AF P.
There were discussions about removing P when A380s would progressively disappear, and P possibly installed on some new 777s. With the now defunct A380s and the long lasting covid catastrophe, I doubt that there are serious plans to keep the 2019 P product. A handful of revenue F pax does not justify the costs.
It would be impossible to remove the P seats and retrofit given the current financial crisis and low J demand. It makes sense to keep the current seats as J+ for a couple of years until full retirement of AF P.
Jul 30, 2020, 2:35 pm
#77
Join Date: Dec 2010
Location: New York
Posts: 453
Well I was just pondering the other day if I should book my yearly Christmas "treat yo'self" P flight to go home, or be reasonable and do J instead, but given the current outlook I'll probably splurge since it may be the last time, if it even holds until then.
Out of curiosity: you'd rather connect somewhere to travel in First, with all the associated connecting hassle, rather than traveling non stop in J? Or is J just too "plebeian" 
?
I agree with other, I think that particularly people traveling for work (and somehow work unicorn companies allowing international F travel
) , will probably choose to travel direct in J instead of adding another 5-6 hours of travel time just to grab a F seat. Could be wrong of course!
?I agree with other, I think that particularly people traveling for work (and somehow work unicorn companies allowing international F travel
) , will probably choose to travel direct in J instead of adding another 5-6 hours of travel time just to grab a F seat. Could be wrong of course!
Jul 30, 2020, 2:47 pm
#78
Join Date: May 2018
Location: Paris and around the WW
Programs: AF/KLM Club2000 Ultimate / M&M HON Circle / ALL Diamond / Hertz President Circle
Posts: 1,039
Out of curiosity: you'd rather connect somewhere to travel in First, with all the associated connecting hassle, rather than traveling non stop in J? Or is J just too "plebeian"
?I agree with other, I think that particularly people traveling for work (and somehow work unicorn companies allowing international F travel
) , will probably choose to travel direct in J instead of adding another 5-6 hours of travel time just to grab a F seat. Could be wrong of course!I traveled for several years in Y in long haul so J is very fine and there are several destinations on which P is not provided.
I am not necessarily flying out of Paris so it won't change much as I am very often flying BCN - MEX, NTE - GRU, BLQ - YYZ...
I have a connection anyway so better doing it in P than in J for rates that are not necessarily way higher
Jul 30, 2020, 4:50 pm
#79
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: East Anglia UK
Programs: BA-S UA LH-Sen KLM/AF-Plat.
Posts: 1,627
Mrs. L and I connect through CDG because we can use P. If we're spending that sort of money or anything close to travel then BA is simply not an option. It's a sad day when this ends. For us the experience in the air is as important as the destination, but then we're just retired people who are enjoying the "final flings"
Aug 1, 2020, 11:21 pm
#80
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: SEA
Programs: DL Diamond, UA Silver, IHG Platinum, One Man Street Fair in my spare time
Posts: 605
Regarding the travelers club blog, I'd be astonished if SFO was cut for P service anytime soon. But we are in unprecedented times.
I'm flying SFO-CDG-DBV in late October in Z. I will buy up to P at OLCI if offered, so will report out after that trip as to the air and ground experience. While the service offering may be altered, I do believe there can be added value in the privacy/social distancing aspect of P in these unusual times.
I'm flying SFO-CDG-DBV in late October in Z. I will buy up to P at OLCI if offered, so will report out after that trip as to the air and ground experience. While the service offering may be altered, I do believe there can be added value in the privacy/social distancing aspect of P in these unusual times.
Aug 5, 2020, 11:08 am
#81
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Boston, MA
Programs: AA Million Miler, Mosaic, Delta Platinum
Posts: 1,559
Aug 6, 2020, 4:49 pm
#83
Join Date: Aug 2017
Location: Singapore
Programs: FB PFL, ALL Diamond, Marriott Ambassador, EK PLAT, Air Caraïbes Diam, SQ PPS, ̷IHG Diam
Posts: 97
Aug 7, 2020, 4:37 am
#85
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I am betting that :
- F&B offering will be the regular one, although possibly less choice for the buffet part
- no more self-service buffet, but an attendant will serve you the buffet items
- no more Spa
Aug 7, 2020, 5:38 am
#87
Join Date: May 2018
Location: Paris and around the WW
Programs: AF/KLM Club2000 Ultimate / M&M HON Circle / ALL Diamond / Hertz President Circle
Posts: 1,039
That's a good step forward for complete service to be back to normal
I have a question...
I booked a ticket in P (GRU - CDG - NTE) for beginning of Sept but was downgraded to J as it will be A350 with no P cabin.
As a compensation, AF is refunding me the fare difference.
However, can I still expect (or ask) to get P ground service in CDG ?
Aug 7, 2020, 6:20 am
#88
Join Date: Aug 2017
Location: Singapore
Programs: FB PFL, ALL Diamond, Marriott Ambassador, EK PLAT, Air Caraïbes Diam, SQ PPS, ̷IHG Diam
Posts: 97
report mandatory by the first who visit La Premiere Lounge post COVID-19
Aug 7, 2020, 9:43 am
#89
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Aug 7, 2020, 12:02 pm
#90
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I think the same as well
That's a good step forward for complete service to be back to normal
I have a question...
I booked a ticket in P (GRU - CDG - NTE) for beginning of Sept but was downgraded to J as it will be A350 with no P cabin.
As a compensation, AF is refunding me the fare difference.
However, can I still expect (or ask) to get P ground service in CDG ?
That's a good step forward for complete service to be back to normal
I have a question...
I booked a ticket in P (GRU - CDG - NTE) for beginning of Sept but was downgraded to J as it will be A350 with no P cabin.
As a compensation, AF is refunding me the fare difference.
However, can I still expect (or ask) to get P ground service in CDG ?
