SCL-CDG 777-300 vs 787 in business?

Old Jun 25, 19, 11:25 am
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SCL-CDG 777-300 vs 787 in business?

Flying SCL-CDG in a few months in J and have option of 777-300 or 787 on award ticket (Delta miles). Timing works better for 777, but I hear about outdated cabins on 777 on other threads.
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​​​​​​Should I go for less convenient time on 787? How to figure out if my 777 would have updated business class seats? Delta does not show me seatmap when I try fake booking. I recently flew on newly reconfigured A330 CDG-SEA and found the product tolerable, but would prefer direct isle access for longer flight such as SCL-CDG.
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Old Jun 25, 19, 12:39 pm
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AF flies the old version of the 777-300 to/from SCL, meaning no direct aisle, 2/3/2 layout *and* no lie-flat seat.

Unless they announce some last moment shift in their rotation when you’re scheduled, that’s most likely what you’ll experience.

Small tip to find out layout with AF : do a dummy booking on the app, you’ll be offer to select your seat. You can see config from there.

2/3/2 —> No lie-flat
2/2/2 or 1/2/1 —> Lie -flat

From Dec. 4 though, AF will increase its frequency from 7 to 10 weekly. Additional flight will be 1/2/1 787 plane, which mean they will deploy new J cabin at that time (to offer same service to all flights to this destination). AF app when dummy booking seems to reflect that

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Indeed, the B787 will have the BEST cabin, while you’ll have the old NEV4 seat in the B77W.
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Old Jun 26, 19, 2:02 am
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It seems from Dec. 4th they are going to alternate the AF406/401's 777 (the "regular/old" one, the new one being coded 403/302, always BEST, 787) with NEV4 & Best. So one would have to be extra-careful when booking from this date to make sure they're served with the BEST 777, and not the NEV4.

I'm assuming they will deploy BEST to SCL on all flights at some point, but not in December at least.
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Originally Posted by offvoice View Post
I'm assuming they will deploy BEST to SCL on all flights at some point, but not in December at least.
That will be only when AF will decide on a plan to retrofit all the B77W without P (already retrofitted) and non-COI (retrofit plan decided). So I am afraid that SCL will still see NEV4 seats for many months if they continue to use B77W on this route. If they switch to B772, then OK
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Originally Posted by Goldorak View Post

That will be only when AF will decide on a plan to retrofit all the B77W without P (already retrofitted) and non-COI (retrofit plan decided). So I am afraid that SCL will still see NEV4 seats for many months if they continue to use B77W on this route. If they switch to B772, then OK
Can 772 make it at all? It's a very long flight and I'm not sure it's within the 772 range.
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Old Jun 29, 19, 12:41 am
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Can 772 make it at all? It's a very long flight and I'm not sure it's within the 772 range.
yep definitely. I think they actually operated it in 772-LR a few years ago (maybe until 2012)

Today, DL flies the 772 from JNB to ATL for instance, which is roughly 16 hours. Qatar also operates it from Auckland to Doha, a staggering 16:40/17hours flight (much more than CDG-SCL). And for what itís worth, Delta used to operate it fromMumbai to ATL (18 hours!).

For the 77ER, longuest used to be EWR-HKG : 16 hours

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Not even so far ago. Took this flight in August/September last year and it was operated by a B772 (AF does not have B77L).

Definitely within the range of a B772 (~14000km vs ~17000km for the B77L) although the takeoff roll looks veeeeery long!
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Originally Posted by chil View Post
Can 772 make it at all? It's a very long flight and I'm not sure it's within the 772 range.
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yep definitely. I think they actually operated it in 772-LR a few years ago (maybe until 2012)
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Not even so far ago. Took this flight in August/September last year and it was operated by a B772 (AF does not have B77L).

Definitely within the range of a B772 (~14000km vs ~17000km for the B77L) although the takeoff roll looks veeeeery long!
Indeed, clearly in its range. And the CDG-SCL flight is the longest non-stop in the Air France network, often reaching 14 hrs.
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Old Jun 30, 19, 1:15 pm
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In fact, the 777-200ER ("772") which Air France flies has a higher range than the 777-300ER ("77W"). The 777-300ER was not designed to offer a plane with longer range than the 777-200ER - that was the job of the 777-200LR (which was not a great commercial success). The 777-300ER was designed to transport more payload over a range similar to the 777-200ER/higher range than the 777-300. The "problem" of the 777-200ER was not that it didn't have enough range, the problem was that it didn't carry enough payload.
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Old Jul 8, 19, 8:01 am
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Originally Posted by offvoice View Post
For the 77ER, longuest used to be EWR-HKG : 16 hours
That was the longest flight in distance (just over 8,000 miles), but I think Continental/United's BOM-EWR was longer time-wise due to the headwinds, that was also flown with the 772-ER, with GE90 engines IIRC. I think they might use the 77W on it now.
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