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AF premium economy Vs Delta Premium select
I had the chance to try Delta Premium select recently and since I've flown AF premium economy a few times, I thought I would share my impressions.
In short: replace AF premium economy by Delta premium select. It's almost AF J service with Delta domestic First class seat. It's night and days between the two! You get 2 dedicated FA for the cabin, they take drinks and menu orders (no trolley service), there's a tablecloth, food comes on a platter, metal cutlery, porcelain dishes, the food tasted very good, the Tumi amenity kit looks very nice quality, the headphones were great. If you have the chance, give it a try and if there's a choice between AF W and Delta W, go for Delta without hesitations. |
Thanks. I havent flown Delta’s Premium Economy but it does not surprise me the least that you find it superior to Air France. The Air France Premium Economy product is a joke. |
Originally Posted by Braniff
(Post 31160086)
Thanks. I havent flown Delta’s Premium Economy but it does not surprise me the least that you find it superior to Air France. The Air France Premium Economy product is a joke. Does anyone know where from in Europe Delta offers Premium Select? It looks like neither from Paris nor from Amsterdam. |
Originally Posted by carnarvon
(Post 31160166)
Hello.
Does anyone know where from in Europe Delta offers Premium Select? It looks like neither from Paris nor from Amsterdam. Itinéraires en A350 De Détroit (DTW) à Tokyo-Narita (NRT), Séoul-Incheon (ICN), Pékin (PEK), Shanghai (PVG) et Amsterdam (AMS)
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Originally Posted by carnarvon
(Post 31160166)
Hello.
Does anyone know where from in Europe Delta offers Premium Select? It looks like neither from Paris nor from Amsterdam. |
Originally Posted by Mirk
(Post 31162269)
It was on the route AMS-DTW for me. I hope they will expand the offering to Europe soon.
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The KEF flights aren't real PS as they use older 757 aircraft (without any D1 flat beds) where PS is sold as the top cabin now. IIRC some of these flights have breakfast as their only meal. For DL PS flights, look for A350 and 777 aircraft routes (with suites). All A350s are brand new and equipped this way, while the 777 fleet is currently in the process of being reconfigured with a PS cabin. There's a big thread in the DL forum discussing particular tail numbers and the progress on this. The DL PS dinner service seems to be a choice of the chicken or pasta main courses from the D1 menu (same food, but two rather than four choices, with fish and red meat selections missing). There's a menu and the wine is better than DL domestic FC but not as good as D1. Unfortunately DL no longer is granting lounge access on the basis to a PS ticket, nor are PS passengers normally given domestic FC seats on connecting flights when a through PS fare is used, although there might be a few exceptions for full fare classes. Some PS fares aren't more than certain coach fares while you sometimes find a RT advanced purchase Z fare for D1 that isn't much more than PS would cost. |
Here’s my impression.
I expected the Delta PS seat to be significantly superior than AF PE seat on 777, but honestly I didn’t feel the difference that significant. Newer, it reclines, but I didn’t sleep better. Foodwise, Delta PS is relatively superior, but I didn’t try the new service from AF. The second meal on a transatlantic route is exactly the same as D1 (maybe just another additional choice for D1?), even on the very same tray 😂 Wine-wise, DL PS is as bad as economy. AF is way superior 😅 https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...54fdabfee.jpeg Breakfast on DL PS DTW-AMS https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...053850c0b.jpeg Breakfast on D1 JFK-MXP A330 |
Originally Posted by Andy82
(Post 31184782)
Wine-wise, DL PS is as bad as economy. AF is way superior �� |
Thank you, @Mirk, for starting this thread – something that I had in mind for a while. Without going into the excruciating detail of the AF and DL offers (at this point, we are simply beating a dead horse), let me simply show the following pictures, which, I believe, summarize the huge gap between the two products. Here is the second meal according to DL on a westbound flight,
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...294b47140a.jpg and here is the second meal according to AF, also on a westbound flight, https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...c205ca25c2.jpg Beyond the presentation and the quality of service (a tablecloth, napkin with real tableware versus the Y takeaway bag thrown on my tray), I would like to draw everyone's attention to the contents, notably the well-balanced DL meal versus the carbs- and lipid-loaded AF snacks (both the savory cheese brioche and almond cake are about 450 calories per 3.5 oz/100 g). According to the World Health Organization, one gram of carb- and lipid-rich processed food is about five times cheaper than the same weight of fresh fruits and vegetables (which rationalizes why very low-income classes are more prone to cardiovascular diseases and obesity). Even the AF applesauce contains twice as many calories as a real apple (which could be served in the form of packaged slices). In addition, AF argues that a takeaway bag is more eco-responsible than disposable tableware. This is of course a captious argument, as the different snacks are served in non-biodegradable containers, whereas DL's second meal is served in reusable tableware. The truth is that while there is a marginal difference between the Y and the W first meal (a seemingly enhanced appetizer and dessert), there is none whatsoever for the second meal. It is, however, maddening that the airfare is exactly the same whether one flies DL premium select, or AF premium economy, yet is offered a completely distinct product. |
Originally Posted by Braniff
(Post 31184900)
AF PE wine is the same as AF economy wine - but no doubt far superior to DL ;-) |
To bring something to the discussion, here are the 2 meals that were served in PS on the AMS-DTW flight.
https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...b070719831.jpg Breakfast/first service on the AMS-DTW in PS https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...7ecf98e996.jpg Second service, before landing on the AMS-DTW in PS |
I admit I didn't fly AF premium economy recently especially on the transatlantic route - and I must have completely removed that horrible second service.
Well, I really hope Delta will put more routes to Europe with the new product. |
Originally Posted by Mirk
(Post 31186602)
To bring something to the discussion, here are the 2 meals that were served in PS on the AMS-DTW flight.
<snip> Second service, before landing on the AMS-DTW in PS Except we had iceberg lettuce (vs. your romaine), and it's possible my salad bowl was bigger (more rectangular), but that may just be the angle of the picture and the orientation of the bowl). |
These days I've stopped flying AF PE when possible - as it is so inferior in both service and quality (even though I am not paying for it, but on company expense - I still feel ridiculous to waste my company's money on such an inferior product). I doubt even with their improved seats (no change in soft service - i assume) on the 787's (not tried it before) that it can beat DL's nor any other airline PE service (heck even Alitalia's PE service is much more superior than AF - even taking into consideration the FA's - and on the EU legs you are booked into J-cabin).
I've written so many times to complain about it, but obviously it's landing on deaf ears. Just wondering how long Ben Smith's vision of improving the Premium Cabin services on AF will kick in - than I will go back to AF. Cheers! |
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