Joon
Aug 17, 2018, 3:45 pm
#2
Join Date: Feb 2017
Posts: 81
Joon targets 15-18% lower operational costs. Salaries of cabin crew are apparently up to 45% lower, while the pilots pool is shared.
http://www.air-journal.fr/2018-03-20...o-5196117.html
http://www.air-journal.fr/2018-03-20...o-5196117.html
Aug 20, 2018, 12:32 am
#4
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: 🇸🇬 🇭🇰 🇫🇷
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Posts: 4,749
I took Joon for the first time last week to Rome. Very nice crew ; they were all very young so don't know whether it is related.
For the very first time since the past 2 years one cabin attendant came to thank me for being a loyal customer of AF/KL.
Did not try BoB since I had breakfast in the lounge.
Overall a great flight but I feel like breton1fr: from a customer perspective, no clue why they launched the airline.
Also the whole thing is pretty much confusing. Why some routes are served by Joon, some by AF and some by Hop? On the minus side it reduces the integration of SkyTeam benefits since Joon and Hop are not members.
For the very first time since the past 2 years one cabin attendant came to thank me for being a loyal customer of AF/KL.
Did not try BoB since I had breakfast in the lounge.
Overall a great flight but I feel like breton1fr: from a customer perspective, no clue why they launched the airline.
Also the whole thing is pretty much confusing. Why some routes are served by Joon, some by AF and some by Hop? On the minus side it reduces the integration of SkyTeam benefits since Joon and Hop are not members.
Aug 23, 2018, 3:45 am
#5
Join Date: Mar 2011
Location: Canada
Programs: Star Alliance G*, Marriott Bonvoy Titanium,
Posts: 3,584
welcome Ben Smith
When I heard about Ben Smith's appointment as CEO, I immediately thought of AC Rouge.
There can be no doubt that Air France will use Rouge as its model for Joon. FTs can expect:
- older aircraft (767 in the case of Rouge);
- more IROPPS;
- promises broken (AC told its cabin crew they would be bridged to the mainline carrier!).
The fact he is Canadian is - honestly - the least of the challenges!
There can be no doubt that Air France will use Rouge as its model for Joon. FTs can expect:
- older aircraft (767 in the case of Rouge);
- more IROPPS;
- promises broken (AC told its cabin crew they would be bridged to the mainline carrier!).
The fact he is Canadian is - honestly - the least of the challenges!
Aug 23, 2018, 4:26 pm
#7
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Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Paris, France
Programs: AF/KL Flying Blue Platinum for life/Club2000 Ultimate, Accor ALL Diamond
Posts: 21,909
Aug 24, 2018, 9:27 am
#8
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: PWM/CDG
Programs: AF/KL Plat, AA Plat, HH Diamond
Posts: 789
A bit puzzled: a few days ago, my flight that was supposed to be operated by Joon was switched to an AF A320 with AF crew and AF service (free sandwich in Y). No advance notice, and there was a full Joon cabin crew being transported as passengers on the flight, so my guess is that the Joon plane was not available and they had to reposition a Joon crew for the next day. No advance notice of the switch either. I'm certainly not complaining, but I found it a bit confusing.
Sep 27, 2018, 9:17 am
#9
Join Date: Jul 2018
Location: French based in PRG, CDG.
Programs: AZ Executive (STE+) - FB Silver (STÉ)- Lounge Key
Posts: 143
Hello,
I just learned that PRG will switch from AF to Joon on 31.3.2019, just at the time when I will reach the STE+ level...
As I understood, SkyPrio / lounge and all Af perk apply even the Miles accrual chart, even the same fare policy (49 EUR for Mini fare...).
Still, as funny it can sounds, do they really consider skipping the included on-board food and replace it to BoB, even for STE+?
Are they at least upgrades for STE+ ? Not sure that the "Millenials" targeted are frequents flyers, so will J be empty?
Thanks
I just learned that PRG will switch from AF to Joon on 31.3.2019, just at the time when I will reach the STE+ level...
As I understood, SkyPrio / lounge and all Af perk apply even the Miles accrual chart, even the same fare policy (49 EUR for Mini fare...).
Still, as funny it can sounds, do they really consider skipping the included on-board food and replace it to BoB, even for STE+?
Are they at least upgrades for STE+ ? Not sure that the "Millenials" targeted are frequents flyers, so will J be empty?
Thanks
Sep 30, 2018, 2:25 am
#12
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Join Date: Aug 2009
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Oct 1, 2018, 12:03 am
#13
Join Date: Jan 2013
Programs: MUCCI
Posts: 245
I have now flown Joon a handful of times CAI-CDG.
My conclusion, in a few words? Catering downgrade, sloping seats in J, as opposed to the beautiful 787 seats we used to have in AF metal; equal and in some cases increased fares, enthusiastic if sometimes over-attentive cabin crew. Not a lousy experience by any means - but definitely not up to the service level we used to enjoy on this route. On a final note, has anyone ever looked at the demographics of the average passenger load from Cairo? Staid middle aged, and in some cases geriatric passengers make up over half the payload - millenials? Really? Have you ever seen such a long queue of wheelchairs waiting for priority boarding, as you see at Cairo airport?
My conclusion, in a few words? Catering downgrade, sloping seats in J, as opposed to the beautiful 787 seats we used to have in AF metal; equal and in some cases increased fares, enthusiastic if sometimes over-attentive cabin crew. Not a lousy experience by any means - but definitely not up to the service level we used to enjoy on this route. On a final note, has anyone ever looked at the demographics of the average passenger load from Cairo? Staid middle aged, and in some cases geriatric passengers make up over half the payload - millenials? Really? Have you ever seen such a long queue of wheelchairs waiting for priority boarding, as you see at Cairo airport?
Last edited by mtdd; Oct 1, 2018 at 12:09 am