AF fares in O class
Jul 9, 2018, 2:40 pm
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There is no reason to suspect that Delta won't grant you the miles.
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Jul 16, 2018, 12:14 pm
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Booking class O
I've just booked a round trip from LHR to HND via CDG for next May in business at a price that comparatively low (Ł1600 per person). When booking I wondered if it was some kind of post world cup flash sale but there's nothing on their website.
I've just received the ticket by email and the fare class from London to Paris shows as J but from Paris to Tokyo is showing O.
Everything I've found suggests this is an award fare, have I got that right?
Does this mean I've accidently booked a mistake fare?
I've just received the ticket by email and the fare class from London to Paris shows as J but from Paris to Tokyo is showing O.
Everything I've found suggests this is an award fare, have I got that right?
Does this mean I've accidently booked a mistake fare?
Jul 16, 2018, 1:21 pm
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Mods: please merge with the recently-bumped thread: AF fares in O class
Jul 22, 2018, 2:19 am
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It used to be only O but now it allows (requires?) J as well. From expertflyer, ZRH-STO AF fare O3LSSW:
I booked one from AF website, ZRH-CDG on J class and CDG-ARN on O class.
The cheapest Z (Z3LSSW) has the same booking code exception, with J required on secondary portion of travel.
034 ZRHSTO 22JUL18 AF USD 392.00 O3LSSW STAY- V/-- BK-O
FARE CLS EXPLANATION BOOK CODES
-------- ---------------------- ----------
O3LSSW BUSINESS RESTRICTED FARES O
O3LSSW APPLIES FOR ROUND TRIP FARES
BOOKING CODE EXCEPTIONS
IF VIA AF ALL BUSINESS WITHIN EUROPE
J REQUIRED WITHIN FRANCE
IF VIA AF ALL BUSINESS WITHIN EUROPE
J REQUIRED WHEN OFFERED WITHIN EUROPE
SECONDARY PORTION OF TRAVEL
FARE CLS EXPLANATION BOOK CODES
-------- ---------------------- ----------
O3LSSW BUSINESS RESTRICTED FARES O
O3LSSW APPLIES FOR ROUND TRIP FARES
BOOKING CODE EXCEPTIONS
IF VIA AF ALL BUSINESS WITHIN EUROPE
J REQUIRED WITHIN FRANCE
IF VIA AF ALL BUSINESS WITHIN EUROPE
J REQUIRED WHEN OFFERED WITHIN EUROPE
SECONDARY PORTION OF TRAVEL
The cheapest Z (Z3LSSW) has the same booking code exception, with J required on secondary portion of travel.
Jul 23, 2018, 10:55 pm
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It used to be only O but now it allows (requires?) J as well. From expertflyer, ZRH-STO AF fare O3LSSW:
I booked one from AF website, ZRH-CDG on J class and CDG-ARN on O class.
The cheapest Z (Z3LSSW) has the same booking code exception, with J required on secondary portion of travel.
I booked one from AF website, ZRH-CDG on J class and CDG-ARN on O class.
The cheapest Z (Z3LSSW) has the same booking code exception, with J required on secondary portion of travel.
It matters less now as miles are credited based on EUR spent, and not many will look for stopovers (where it does matter).
Jul 24, 2018, 12:11 am
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A O-class segment gives 15 XP, meaning that a European rt trip through CDG gives you 60XP, for as low as 450 EUR - which is probably the best way to get XP per euro spent.
Regarding miles, before the new miles earning system, the difference was not that high between J and O... O was awarded 200% while J 250% and inside europe it wasn't going to matter too much.
I guess the only positive thing of this booking class exception is availability "in theory", and that's what I wanted to point out.
Last edited by Andy82; Jul 24, 2018 at 1:03 am
Jul 24, 2018, 12:17 am
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I'm sorry, I don't understand your comment. I know this is not award - I bought paid O class a lot from when it came out - and I doubt it's a glitch since it has been there for weeks ;-) And stopovers matter *a lot* for status, especially in C class.
A O-class segment gives 15 XP, meaning that a European rt trip through CDG gives you 60XP, for as low as 450 EUR - which is probably the best way to get XP per euro spent.
A O-class segment gives 15 XP, meaning that a European rt trip through CDG gives you 60XP, for as low as 450 EUR - which is probably the best way to get XP per euro spent.
There were a lot more choices closer to €600 which still isn't bad...
Jul 24, 2018, 1:27 am
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I noticed some 6-segment EU trips last week in O for a smidgen over €500. In my case it was GOT-UK KL served airports, i.e. GOT-CDG-AMS-UK and back. May work for any EU destination served by KL and not AF, originating from an AF served airport airport. Certainly a bargain for 90 XP!
There were a lot more choices closer to €600 which still isn't bad...
There were a lot more choices closer to €600 which still isn't bad...
In the past I did a ZRH-CDG-AMS-BRU essentially for fun but it was all on Z class and definitely more expensive - around 800 eur If I'm not wrong. I need to check those UK airports for other fun trips
Jul 24, 2018, 4:30 am
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I'm sorry, I don't understand your comment. I know this is not award - I bought paid O class a lot from when it came out - and I doubt it's a glitch since it has been there for weeks ;-) And stopovers matter *a lot* for status, especially in C class.
A O-class segment gives 15 XP, meaning that a European rt trip through CDG gives you 60XP, for as low as 450 EUR - which is probably the best way to get XP per euro spent.
Regarding miles, before the new miles earning system, the difference was not that high between J and O... O was awarded 200% while J 250% and inside europe it wasn't going to matter too much.
I guess the only positive thing of this booking class exception is availability "in theory", and that's what I wanted to point out.
A O-class segment gives 15 XP, meaning that a European rt trip through CDG gives you 60XP, for as low as 450 EUR - which is probably the best way to get XP per euro spent.
Regarding miles, before the new miles earning system, the difference was not that high between J and O... O was awarded 200% while J 250% and inside europe it wasn't going to matter too much.
I guess the only positive thing of this booking class exception is availability "in theory", and that's what I wanted to point out.
XPs are not dependent on stopovers. Probably again a confusion, this time on 'stopover vs connection'.
Stopovers will break married segement logic (on AF and KL at least excluding connections with codeshares where the logic does not work from day 1 in any case), hence if one flight books into J and not O you will have higher chances to book what you want and AF (unlikely) will have some revenue leakage.
Back to the qualification of AF revenue management (oh again and again
- some O-fares require O class when its OFFERED while its not offered on some codeshares, Given the same revenue management forgot Q-surcharge for codeshares (otherwise available where it matters for AF in terms of cost) we get pretty expensive codeshares (ie SU) at the price of cheappy O fares
Aug 4, 2018, 10:19 am
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Its probably my confusion then, because the original question I asked and quoted by you was about award tickets - 'Which class short haul or connecting short haul awards book to?'. It was not about which class paid O-fares book to.
XPs are not dependent on stopovers. Probably again a confusion, this time on 'stopover vs connection'.
Stopovers will break married segement logic (on AF and KL at least excluding connections with codeshares where the logic does not work from day 1 in any case), hence if one flight books into J and not O you will have higher chances to book what you want and AF (unlikely) will have some revenue leakage.
Back to the qualification of AF revenue management (oh again and again - some O-fares require O class when its OFFERED while its not offered on some codeshares, Given the same revenue management forgot Q-surcharge for codeshares (otherwise available where it matters for AF in terms of cost) we get pretty expensive codeshares (ie SU) at the price of cheappy O fares
XPs are not dependent on stopovers. Probably again a confusion, this time on 'stopover vs connection'.
Stopovers will break married segement logic (on AF and KL at least excluding connections with codeshares where the logic does not work from day 1 in any case), hence if one flight books into J and not O you will have higher chances to book what you want and AF (unlikely) will have some revenue leakage.
Back to the qualification of AF revenue management (oh again and again
- some O-fares require O class when its OFFERED while its not offered on some codeshares, Given the same revenue management forgot Q-surcharge for codeshares (otherwise available where it matters for AF in terms of cost) we get pretty expensive codeshares (ie SU) at the price of cheappy O fares
Aug 10, 2018, 2:27 pm
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Got booked into one of these "award" buckets just recently... outbound O/O, inbound Z/Z. Cheap fare, I know, but still want to take the most miles from this trip. I am looking into crediting the O-segments into Flying Blue and the Z-segments to SkyMiles instead. Does AF IT work well with this and I can change the frequent flyer # to be different on outbound and return or it will cause problems that might credit the Z segments into Flying Blue too? Should I just retroclaim from both programs afterwards? Thanks.
Aug 27, 2018, 1:32 pm
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Back to the qualification of AF revenue management (oh again and again - some O-fares require O class when its OFFERED while its not offered on some codeshares, Given the same revenue management forgot Q-surcharge for codeshares (otherwise available where it matters for AF in terms of cost) we get pretty expensive codeshares (ie SU) at the price of cheappy O fares
- some O-fares require O class when its OFFERED while its not offered on some codeshares, Given the same revenue management forgot Q-surcharge for codeshares (otherwise available where it matters for AF in terms of cost) we get pretty expensive codeshares (ie SU) at the price of cheappy O faresMOW-TLV and vv fares now accrues EUR 450 of Q-charge per segment of SU in business as it should have been in the very beginning.
I am still upset though with the new cost of a stopover for O-fares withiin Europe (EUR 100
).
Jun 15, 2019, 11:07 am
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Am I right in thinking that you cannot get miles for O booking class in any other programme apart from Flying Blue ?
I'd like to book a couple of paid Business tickets and those unfortunately book into O
Regards,
El Puerco Volante
I'd like to book a couple of paid Business tickets and those unfortunately book into O
Regards,
El Puerco Volante
