What will be JOON's first [last] routes?
#241
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slightly OT, but...be ready for the millennial shock : the safety video of Joon
Oh my goodness !
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2UwiVAQX_8
Oh my goodness !
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q2UwiVAQX_8
They think all we are looking for is cheap flights and fun stuff, when we are actually luxury travel wannabes trying to snag cheap Business Class upgrades and a classy environment.
#242
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That aside and with my apologies if this has already been mentioned - I understand that IKA is getting axed (possibly just for W18) and this is one of those routes which had been 'assigned' to Joon.
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IKA becomes seasonal.
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Apologies noted and accepted
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/29670894-post8.html
IKA becomes seasonal.
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Great that they introduced a large screen. It is a shame to see the screen size on most AF planes even in premium cabins.
Great that they introduced a reclining PE, rather than the awful non-reclining shell seat. Several airlines had introduced those shell seats in PE and quickly went through the big investment to replace them by reclining seats (CX and NH come to mind). AF was the dinosaur in the pack.
PE is improved E, not business. The line has to be drawn somewhere. Apparently PE pax get champagne on boarding. I have no problem that JN, a "lower cost" airline, charges for aperitif. It seems to me a reasonable cost cut and consistent with an economy fare.
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Great that they introduced a reclining PE, rather than the awful non-reclining shell seat. Several airlines had introduced those shell seats in PE and quickly went through the big investment to replace them by reclining seats (CX and NH come to mind). AF was the dinosaur in the pack.
PE is improved E, not business. The line has to be drawn somewhere. Apparently PE pax get champagne on boarding. I have no problem that JN, a "lower cost" airline, charges for aperitif. It seems to me a reasonable cost cut and consistent with an economy fare.
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PE is improved E, not business. The line has to be drawn somewhere. <strong>Apparently PE pax get champagne on boarding</strong>. I have no problem that JN, a "lower cost" airline, charges for aperitif. It seems to me a reasonable cost cut and consistent with an economy fare.
#247
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I struggle to understand the tendency on FT to genuflect at the offering of a glass of (cheap) champagne as if it were a major product component. This board is not as bad as the BA board on champagne obsession but still... Offering a glass of champagne on boarding does not strike me as a significant product offering. It is a minor detail, imo. Yes, PE is improved economy rather than business but an improved catering service, including complimentary alcoholic drinks in-flight, is a standard feature of that improvement. Do you know many PE products in which one has to pay for an aperitif? Even Norwegian, an explicitly low-cost airline, offers complimentary drinks throughout the flight on its premium economy product.
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I have just published (in french) my trip report on Joon's inaugural flight to Cape Town in Business Class.
This is probably the most comprehensive review to date, any question please let me know here
https://flight-report.com/en/report/31766/Joon-AF864-Paris-CDG-Cape-Town-CPT
This is probably the most comprehensive review to date, any question please let me know here
https://flight-report.com/en/report/31766/Joon-AF864-Paris-CDG-Cape-Town-CPT
Thank you for the detailed trip report, photos and video! My family is traveling in Business to Cape Town in August from the US. The Joon flight offered a perfect connection time and an arrival a full day prior to the other connecting options (LHR or DXB). I had not heard of Joon when booking and as we are a group of 13 it took a bit of research before I was comfortable booking. It looks like it really is a nice refresh of the A340 even if the business class seat is not cutting edge.
#249
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I simply don't get Joon. Air France flew a beautiful B787 CAI-CDG: it departed at a civilised hour, the seats were as close to divine as an airplane seat could get, and the onboard service was - IMHO - impeccable.AF became my airline of choice, even when flying to London.
Joon on the other hand: departs at a horrible 01.05, which means you don't go to bed the night before and you arrive at your destination dead to the world, having tried to sleep with your ankles locked and braced in a vain attempt to stop you sliding down an an angle flat bed on a venerable A340. The cabin crew are young and enthusiastic, to my mind perhaps just a little too enthusiastic. The catering was so-so, I won't slag it off too much. And for all this, it seems to me that the fares have gone up, despite an inferior offering.
As I said, I just don't get it.
I am giving the airline one more try, tomorrow, flying from Cairo to the F1 race in Monaco via CDG. If that doesn't provide me with a more mellow appreciation of Joon, it may have to be Royal Jordanian via Amman, which also doesn't have fully flat seats, but gives a very honest level of service on a daylight flight, where the bed is less required.
Joon on the other hand: departs at a horrible 01.05, which means you don't go to bed the night before and you arrive at your destination dead to the world, having tried to sleep with your ankles locked and braced in a vain attempt to stop you sliding down an an angle flat bed on a venerable A340. The cabin crew are young and enthusiastic, to my mind perhaps just a little too enthusiastic. The catering was so-so, I won't slag it off too much. And for all this, it seems to me that the fares have gone up, despite an inferior offering.
As I said, I just don't get it.
I am giving the airline one more try, tomorrow, flying from Cairo to the F1 race in Monaco via CDG. If that doesn't provide me with a more mellow appreciation of Joon, it may have to be Royal Jordanian via Amman, which also doesn't have fully flat seats, but gives a very honest level of service on a daylight flight, where the bed is less required.
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Well, it has to be either "subliminally ecstatic as if one was in a dream" or "eminently forgettable, so much so that one literally does not remember drinking any" depending on the kind of perspective you want to adopt.