Constructive Criticism of La Premiere

Old Apr 13, 2020, 11:33 pm
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Folks, for those of you who have plans for a P trip by the end of the year (around Thanksgiving) - do you think it's wise to book now given COVID-19 situation? Normally I would have booked it by now for a while but I'm wondering if you guys are booking your trips now (for that time period) or holding (yeah I know, 0th world problems now ...)
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Old Apr 13, 2020, 11:37 pm
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Originally Posted by Sjondorn
Folks, for those of you who have plans for a P trip by the end of the year (around Thanksgiving) - do you think it's wise to book now given COVID-19 situation? Normally I would have booked it by now for a while but I'm wondering if you guys are booking your trips now (for that time period) or holding (yeah I know, 0th world problems now ...)
no one can tell if itís wise. I can tell you itís risky. And you can end up with a voucher. The risk is significant.
I would never ever do it. October isnít that far away and it would be naive to think that the world is back to normal at that point.
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Old Apr 14, 2020, 12:33 am
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Originally Posted by Sjondorn
Folks, for those of you who have plans for a P trip by the end of the year (around Thanksgiving) - do you think it's wise to book now given COVID-19 situation? Normally I would have booked it by now for a while but I'm wondering if you guys are booking your trips now (for that time period) or holding (yeah I know, 0th world problems now ...)
Thanksgiving seems far away to me to think it should be ĒOKĒ (in the. At such a date, the main risk is that some borders may still be closed or with restrictions. I will plan soon a big trip for Christmas.

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no one can tell if itís wise. I can tell you itís risky. And you can end up with a voucher. The risk is significant.
I would never ever do it. October isnít that far away and it would be naive to think that the world is back to normal at that point.
Thankgiving is end November
it will indeed not be back to normal at that date, but at least we can hope that it will move to be closer to normal.
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Old Apr 14, 2020, 11:04 am
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Make sure that you don't book a fare that does not allow for changes and refunds. It should be OK if there is a change or refund fee though, although you might need to pay for it if the flight operates.
It seems that AF is indeed refunding refundable tickets (even if there are refund penalties) with cash and only pushes the voucher on non refundable fares. With an F ticket, the La Premiere service might be able to help in case problems occur on AF side or your side.
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Old Apr 14, 2020, 11:23 am
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I had 2 trips in April and May in P with a fare that allows changes but with extra fees.

Due to the ongoing circumstances, I was able to postpone both of them in July and September without any fees.
Travel Assistant confirmed me that I could change them other times in case the situation does not approve.

To me, there is almost no risk about booking some tickets now even though modifications can be done with fees.
if the situation is much better, then you will be able to fly
If not, AF will allow you to change your dates without rates modification so that's quite comfortable
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Old Apr 15, 2020, 1:32 am
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Thanks folks. I myself am not worried about the change fees that much (there really won't be any as long as there coronavirus is at large) but do see a risk of ending up with a voucher if travel is not recovered enough (not necessarily because flight cancellation, but can also be suspension of P service to SFO). One other thing though, how do you think the prices will develop in the near timeframe? Would you expect a price drop when the travel starts to pick up?
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Old Apr 15, 2020, 8:12 am
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Originally Posted by Sjondorn
One other thing though, how do you think the prices will develop in the near timeframe? Would you expect a price drop when the travel starts to pick up?https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/undefined
I would expect a price drop for Y and some tactical sales for J, but not for P.
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Old Apr 15, 2020, 9:33 am
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I see no case for the A380s to fly again. Remember that without them there will only be some 70 F seats available in the network (one or two frames could be in maintenance or backup). And that is if the low density 77W with F are used for a reduced traffic. Probability of having F from SFO is uncertain.
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Old Apr 15, 2020, 9:50 am
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Originally Posted by brunos
I see no case for the A380s to fly again. Remember that without them there will only be some 70 F seats available in the network (one or two frames could be in maintenance or backup). And that is if the low density 77W with F are used for a reduced traffic. Probability of having F from SFO is uncertain.
What do you think would happen with the ones having a P ticket already booked ?

For ex, I have 2 flights in P with A380 (CDG --> MEX) for beginning of June and one for September
The one in June might be postponed to December depending on the evolution.

Does it mean that the ticket would be transfered to the new P cabin with 77W ?
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Old Apr 15, 2020, 11:55 pm
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Originally Posted by matmatlr
What do you think would happen with the ones having a P ticket already booked ?

For ex, I have 2 flights in P with A380 (CDG --> MEX) for beginning of June and one for September
The one in June might be postponed to December depending on the evolution.

Does it mean that the ticket would be transfered to the new P cabin with 77W ?
When you have a P ticket, it's P whatever the aircraft flying the route (A380 or B77W). If they decide to keep P to MEX, then you're fine. If they decide to stop P to MEX (either temporarily or permanently), then you'll be in J and your ticket will be repriced.
If they don't put the A380 back to service, it is sure that some destinations will loose P as they don't have additional aircrafts with P and we all know that retrofit of old B77W will likely be slowed down or put on hold.
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Old Apr 16, 2020, 5:22 am
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A question for the experienced F flyers out here:

Is there any outstation which is known for having some solid additional perks for La Premiere passengers? Like for example access to any particular/special first class lounge as opposed to just a special corner set aside in a sub-par business lounge? (for example when flying out of such airports as HND/HKG/SIN etc). What would be the ideal route to optimise the F experience in your experience/knowledge?

Together with a friend who is a FB plat as well I'm considering using money saved during the corona lockdown (from 2-3 planned trips which got cancelled/shelved + some additional cash) to splash on a once-in-a-lifetime epic flying adventure once this is over, which of course must include La Premiere as well

It's all theoretical for now (especially given that nobody has an idea how the corona situation will evolve in each and every country) but given that we're flexible on the route it might be handy to keep a regular eye out on some fares between city pairs/play a bit with mixed booking class r/t fares on the ITA Matrix.
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Old Apr 16, 2020, 5:34 am
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I will talk about my experiences only

CDG is clearly standing out in terms of ground service and lounge quality

You can avoid MEX as this is, to me, the worst lounge that I tested for P

GRU lounge is nice (dedicated P passengers area) but ground service is quite poor

JFK is nice and I like this airport and I always found P service good

SHA was quite bad but it might have changed as the last time I was there was 3 years ago

No experience in Singapore, HK, Tokyo or other airports
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Old Apr 16, 2020, 6:49 am
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Originally Posted by matmatlr
I will talk about my experiences only

CDG is clearly standing out in terms of ground service and lounge quality

You can avoid MEX as this is, to me, the worst lounge that I tested for P

GRU lounge is nice (dedicated P passengers area) but ground service is quite poor

JFK is nice and I like this airport and I always found P service good

SHA was quite bad but it might have changed as the last time I was there was 3 years ago

No experience in Singapore, HK, Tokyo or other airports
In addition to the above (where I slightly disagree on GRU and JFK, I am less impressed)

Singapore: you have the choice between being escorted to the Qantas First Class lounge and being escorted from there to the plane. The ground staff board you first. The other choice is to use a VIP lounge (forgot the name, never used it), but you need to be driven there and it's not really meaningful unless you arrive approx. 3 hours before departure. P passengers are boarded first

Los Angeles: escort from the counter through the ground floor security (very efficient) to the Qantas First Class lounge, and escort to the plane. P passengers are boarded first

Beirut: basically nohting (until last summer at least. May have changed with the new setup/layout of the security/immigration checkpoints in the departure area. P passengers are boarded first though

Boston: escort through security (very efficient!) and to the lounge, where there is a little private area/small rooms. Escort to the plane and boarded first. NB: Boston does not have P service all year long, and in some years none at all

My recollections of JNB and NRT and IAD are more than 3 or more years old, so I don't want to comment on those.

PS: wouldn't this warrant its own thread? This one has become a basket of all things somehow related to Premiere, which makes it more difficult for forum members to find specific information for instance on lounge access, massages, food, ground service in various airports around the world, etc.
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Old Apr 16, 2020, 8:27 am
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I have experienced:

DXB: Dedicated counter, escort thru security/inmigration then use of the First Class Lounge which I found good. Really calm! Then escort to the plane at convenience.

MIA (only arrival): escort waiting at the jetway and thru immigration (use of the diplomatic/crew passport lane), escort to customs till exit (offered to come with me to the car rental center). Note: on departure, the lounge is the Delta Skyclub with a dedicated area but nothing more (as far as I've seen).
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Old Apr 16, 2020, 9:19 am
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In the last 12 months...

• LAX departure: Individual PA escort thru security to Qantas FCL and then escort from FCL to plane.

• LAX arrival: Individual PA escort from plane to customs, baggage claim and then to street.

• SFO arrival: Group escort from plane offered, but I declined. With Global Entry and a tight connection, it was faster on my own than the slow pace of the PA/other pax.

• LHR departure: Individual PA escort thru security to private VIP room of the SkyTeam Lounge and then escort from Lounge to plane.

• LHR connection: Arriving from BKK on separate TG ticket, walked to AF gate to try for earlier LHR-CDG flight. Outstanding GA put me on earlier flight and and then escorted me down jet bridge to plane. Despite my new arrival flight, CDG PA was waiting on jet bridge when we arrived.

Previously...

• JFK arrival: Individual PA escort from plane to customs, baggage claim and then to street. Declined her offer to escort me across street to the AirTrain.

• BOD arrival: Individual PA escort from plane to street and taxi stand.
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