Constructive Criticism of La Premiere

Old Jan 3, 2020, 9:49 am
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Has anyone received or seen one of these?
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Old Jan 3, 2020, 9:58 am
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Originally Posted by JakeMorgan
Has anyone received or seen one of these?

I am 99.99% certain that this is an Hermès agenda. Now that really *is* upmarket.
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Old Jan 3, 2020, 11:38 am
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Originally Posted by San Gottardo
I am 99.99% certain that this is an Hermès agenda. Now that really *is* upmarket.
It's actually from a supplier:

https://ateliers-ame.com/product/lea...e-la-premiere/
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Old Jan 3, 2020, 12:53 pm
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Originally Posted by JakeMorgan
Interesting. Looks actually very much like the "Ulysse" leather-bound agenda and the spiral insert by Hermes: https://www.hermes.com/ch/fr/lire-et...Cat%C3%A9gorie
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Old Jan 3, 2020, 1:21 pm
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Originally Posted by Klems
As many others here it seems, I was also able to enjoy a La Première trip yesterday . I flew MAD-CDG-JFK (with CDG-JFK on the 777).

A few data points and observations.

In MAD:
I purchased my ticket in the US, but I still emailed La Première a couple of weeks ago to enquire about the complimentary limo transfer to the airport supposedly available in Madrid. They confirmed I was not eligible for it since it's only for tickets purchased in Spain. I told them that I thought it was odd although I suspected it would be the case. They replied saying it was to "develop business in Spain". Alrighty then.

When I arrived at check in, it was clear that they were having some IT issues. I waited probably over 10 minutes despite being first in the Sky P line. When I finally got there, the agent saw I traveled in P and called someone to enquire about an escort. She told me that the lady sitting in the next check in booth would escort me to the lounge.
At that point, the line had gotten quite long, so I told her that it was really not necessary and they shouldn't take someone off the check in counter just to walk me, but they insisted.

In the lounge, there is no reserved area for P passengers but this is a contract lounge, so not too surprising. Side note, I found the lounge to be really great for a contract lounge. The food and drink offerings were great and plentiful, and there are stunning tarmac views (especially with the sunrise).
They were absolutely correct that it is only for tickets purchased in Spain and for developing the Spanish market.

The last time I flew P from Madrid I too told the agent that I could find my own way to the lounge. But there are two lounges! And I went to the other one. I was in no rush and was the last passenger to arrive and the agent seemed a bit put out that she could not escort me to the plane. But it was all fine for me as i took my front row seat after having a chat with the captain who was also in no rush.

As you probably experienced the P transfer at CDG does not include immigration nor security after you tell the officer you came from Madrid.
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Old Jan 3, 2020, 1:27 pm
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Originally Posted by stimpy
As you probably experienced the P transfer at CDG does not include immigration nor security after you tell the officer you came from Madrid.
For security, you are certainly right but for immigration you have to go through as the rest of your trip (long-haul) is obviously outside the Schengen area
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Old Jan 3, 2020, 1:33 pm
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Originally Posted by Goldorak
For security, you are certainly right but for immigration you have to go through as the rest of your trip (long-haul) is obviously outside the Schengen area
Well we are both right. I did not have to "go through immigration", but I did hand my passport to an agent who went off and handled that on my behalf.
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Old Jan 3, 2020, 2:18 pm
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Originally Posted by stimpy
As you probably experienced the P transfer at CDG does not include immigration nor security after you tell the officer you came from Madrid.
Originally Posted by Goldorak
For security, you are certainly right but for immigration you have to go through as the rest of your trip (long-haul) is obviously outside the Schengen area
Indeed, I did not have to go through security in downstairs from the lounge which was great. They told me it was a specific agreement for La Première. They did take my passport and green card to have my documents checked though, and on my way out I still had to answer the usual questions from the security agent to have the little sticker added on the back of my passport.
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Old Jan 3, 2020, 2:23 pm
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Originally Posted by Klems
- Champagne situation: while Krug Grande Cuvée is a marvelous champagne, I feel like as France's flagship airline, and with such an exclusive experience, they should step it up. I mean CX serves a vintage Krug 2004, JAL has Salon, etc... Air France should be leading the charge with the Champagne experience and maybe even have 2 on offer like on JAL, or SIN.
Wow, they should absolutely be serving something higher quality than the MV Krug.

Originally Posted by SFO777
Strange. As a couple, we would never have agreed. 1E/1F are designed for a couple, 1F/1L are not. As for more privacy, that's what the curtain is for. And it is certainly not convenient for 1F to manage the 1E curtain when 1E is no longer there. Staying in 1EF also gives a couple the option to use the window seat 1L as one their beds should they so desire.
You're of course entitled to your opinion (and preference onboard), but I disagree. Put the couple in 1A/E, they can have unfettered access to the overheads above 1A, and they can close the curtain next to the vacant 1F. The solo pax goes in 1L, and also has unfettered access to the overhead and can open/close his curtain at will. Personally, I found it rather claustrophobic with the curtain pulled at my seat -- this way, the only curtain that "needs" to be closed is the one next to 1F, and the couple and solo pax all get their privacy. Of course, if the couple wants to hold hands while eating dinner, in their own seats then this won't work. But this setup makes it easier to dine in the buddy seat without going around through the galley. Also, If the couple is in 1E/F and the solo pax in 1L, then the pax in 1F can't access the overhead on his/her side if 1L has the curtain closed. There are obviously pros and cons of this setup, but IMHO it balances in favor of what the FA suggested.

FWIW, I grappled with pre-assigning seats this way when I flew JL F with my husband for our honeymoon, especially since I like to look out the window. But JL doesn't have the curtains so I figured it was best we just keep the two center seats for ourselves.
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Old Jan 3, 2020, 4:50 pm
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Great report, Klems.
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Old Jan 3, 2020, 10:01 pm
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So, I've recently flown DXB-CDG-SFO in P (both flights in B777). DXB-CDG takes off at 1:30 am, then ~ 4 hours layover in the lounge and CDG-SFO takes off at 10:30 am.

Usual check-in process for P in DXB: get an escort to expedite security, passport control, to the lounge and then to the airplane through the terminal (used the "courtesy cart" for going from lounge to terminal, which is kind of cool). CDG is BMW ride as usual. In SFO on arrival the escort is kinda useless since they won't expedite immigration (I have Global Entry, so not a big deal, but ....). You'll get your checked-in bag from a separate area (oversized bags). Interestingly though, on the outbound flights SFO-CDG-DXB in J, my checked-in bag was labeled as P (perhaps due to short connection) but the luggage pickup was from the normal concourse.

So, what is it like to have two flights in P? Well, to keep it simple - you'll be offered too much food, so I ended up refusing pre-arrival food on DXB-CDG flight in favor of sleep and reduced pre-arrival food to a snack on CDG-SFO. On the other hand I lost count of how many glasses of wine I had . When it comes to the lounges I had a little amount of food in DXB (mostly just alcohol) and just some sweets in CDG (was full on arrival and layover wasn't long enough). Basically P lounge visit in CDG will be mostly about its SPA offerings (i.e. 1 hour long shower and the massage) as with long-haul flights you can't really select how long layover you'll have and you'll just be too full to eat more.

DXB-CDG is about 7 hours and I lucked out to be solo pax in P cabin. The flight was delayed by 45 minutes due to refueling issues. FA then offered to start serving food during the delay so I actually got my soup served before takeoff (sure J pax behind were jealous ) and then resumed with the rest after takeoff. I then went to sleep for the rest of the flight until 15 minutes before landing. CDG-SFO everything as usual except I was maybe just a little tipsy

They offered same amenity kit, same pajamas (same color for both) and had same wine selection on both flights. Both flights had Krug Grande Cuvée served as Champagne (pretty sure I had managed to drink entire bottle during the journey). Both flights had decent food options.

Overall, excellent experience to connect from a P flight to another P flight and actually I didn't feel any jetlag at all and was fully rested after landing (given the worst possible 12 hrs difference).

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Old Jan 5, 2020, 3:32 pm
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Surprised you can buy that itinerary as it originates in DXB. Or are they separate tix?
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Old Jan 5, 2020, 3:43 pm
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Originally Posted by matmatlr
Some pictures for the food lovers in my last trip from CDG to MEX

My wife had a different and decidedly less elegant presentation of that Lobster fricassée on our LAX flight last week.

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Old Jan 5, 2020, 4:20 pm
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2020 has started and so the P flights

Flew yesterday from NTE to GRU
Very welcoming people in NTE with an escort through security and then, the agent managed to find me an empty seat (no lounge in NTE)

Ground service in CDG is still as good as always ! Efficient car transfer and very few people at the lounge which was great !
On-board service was excellent as well and I was the only pax in P with the entire cabin for myself !

Ground service on arrival in GRU is still a shame as no priority lane for passport check which took me around 40 min to get out of the airport without checked luggages... welcome to Brazil...

But let's talk about the most important ! Food & wine... 😜

Tried the foie gras as well as the coquillettes in the lounge ! Foie gras was excellent but I found the coquillettes sauce a little bit too greasy.

Pessac Leognan & Cote Rotie were both excellent !
Still not a big fan of Krug champagne

Only got the dessert on board as I was already full (which was a smart move as they did not have the right menu (we had the Dubai one) and the FA was not sure about what was available... 🤔

Breakfast was good as usual






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Old Jan 5, 2020, 4:34 pm
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Surprised you can buy that itinerary as it originates in DXB. Or are they separate tix?
Was purchased as SFO-CDG-DXB roundtrip (J there, P back).
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