Constructive Criticism of La Premiere

Old Nov 17, 2019, 12:06 am
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Originally Posted by flying_blue_white_red
First trip in LP next year
Due to a schedule change from JNB, the lay over in Paris goes from 10h to 21h (AF995 to AF702). Assuming that AF does not pay the hotel and the lounge closes at night, if i buy a separate domestic ticket (with tight connection as it's the last flight of the day), will AF/JNB staff allow to check the luggage through the other destination?
Any other alternative?
Joburg to Abidjan via Paris with a 21 hour stop... wow
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Old Nov 17, 2019, 1:44 am
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Originally Posted by San Gottardo
Joburg to Abidjan via Paris with a 21 hour stop... wow
It is well-known for decades that the best route from one African country to another one is via Paris with AF
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Old Nov 17, 2019, 2:47 am
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Originally Posted by flying_blue_white_red
First trip in LP next year
Due to a schedule change from JNB, the lay over in Paris goes from 10h to 21h (AF995 to AF702). Assuming that AF does not pay the hotel and the lounge closes at night, if i buy a separate domestic ticket (with tight connection as it's the last flight of the day), will AF/JNB staff allow to check the luggage through the other destination?
Any other alternative?
Hard to understand what your question is.
On most days (except wednesday departure from JNB), AF995 can connect to AF520 with 3;30 transit; AF520 has one-stop and no F (but flat J beds). Or AF995 can connect to AF702 with 8:55 transit . AF 702 is usually a 77W with F.
What happened to make the transit so long?
If this is on a single PNR and this is caused by a schedule change, then AF would pay a hotel night.

But I understand that AF995 will start operating as a day flight (landing in CDG at 19:45) starting on 30 March 2020.
You have to see with them if they are willing to pay hotel as AF702 departs at 14:40 the next day. On a paid ticket, I would expect them to offer you hotel. That's a 19h transit and I find it too risky to take an extra return flight in-between.
But the AF/JNB staff should be willing to check your bags through ABJ. Getting the LP escort service to/from your domestic flight is iffy.

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Old Nov 17, 2019, 8:49 am
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So I had my first La Premiere flight last week aboard the B77W. It was absolutely the best flight i have ever taken, the difference with J is quite big. Especially the personal attention is a big difference.
Some remarks:
- FA forgot 3 courses during the meal, despite being friendly, i thought it was sloppy
- Soup was served cold-lukewarm
- Catering ex CDG was certainly good but I think I should have eaten more in the lounge. On board is still airplane food.
- The seat has wear and tear, a stain in the fabric and got to say the support on the legs is not optimal,. This can be specifically this aircraft I flown with, the F-GZND.
- WiFi speed was fast, fastet I ever encountered on an aircraft. I was able to watch YouTube
- Lounge in CDG is to die for in every aspect. Absolutely stunning.
- Escort at CDG and LAX was super efficient and a real benefit for the P traveler.


It might sound I am very critical but at these pricepoints of 5.000-10.000 USD for a round trip, these things should be ok IMHO.
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Old Nov 18, 2019, 1:37 pm
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Thank you all for the feedbacks!

Originally Posted by Fabo.sk
You can always get your ticket refunded, but I don't think that's what you're looking for.

Anyway under a somewhat benevolent reading of EC261/2004 they should offer you a hotel, and I'd hope that they would offer you accommodation.
No refund needed, I just thought that as the new layover might allow to spend the night at home or with friends and drop off a luggage before continuing the rest of the trip the day after, maybe it was worth a try - not a big deal if not possible then - Paris is a such lovely city

Originally Posted by San Gottardo
Joburg to Abidjan via Paris with a 21 hour stop... wow
Initially, AF995 was planned to leave as all EU airlines departing JNB do - in the evening, thus the morning arrival would allow to enjoy enough ( for the 1st time ever) CDG best lounge.
Agree with you that now with the 21h stop, it does not seem attractive as before!

Originally Posted by brunos
Hard to understand what your question is.
On most days (except wednesday departure from JNB), AF995 can connect to AF520 with 3;30 transit; AF520 has one-stop and no F (but flat J beds). Or AF995 can connect to AF702 with 8:55 transit . AF 702 is usually a 77W with F.
What happened to make the transit so long?
If this is on a single PNR and this is caused by a schedule change, then AF would pay a hotel night.

But I understand that AF995 will start operating as a day flight (landing in CDG at 19:45) starting on 30 March 2020.
You have to see with them if they are willing to pay hotel as AF702 departs at 14:40 the next day. On a paid ticket, I would expect them to offer you hotel. That's a 19h transit and I find it too risky to take an extra return flight in-between.
But the AF/JNB staff should be willing to check your bags through ABJ. Getting the LP escort service to/from your domestic flight is iffy.
The single PNR ticket was booked in P with miles days before the recent increase on LP awards. At that time the cheapest route (with current timings) was picked to burn some miles and obviously also to experience this product.

After the schedule change mail, I noticed that a return domestic trip could be done (easily without checked luggage) or with the help - only if possible - of AF JNB staff with a checked luggage!

I would definitely prefer this solution rather than getting the free hotel night. If proved too risky, the 6 am inbound flight that lands at 7ish at CDG will get my favours for extra peace of mind ( providing a comfy 7h buffer time until the ABJ flight)!

And I don't care about the LP services on the domestic sectors since, in that specific case, they are not normally part of the protocol.

Hope it makes sense now - I have yet to call them to confirm the choice (as for the moment viewing the booking still shows the "new" JNB flight lands well after ABJ took off ) but I would like to know first what is allowed/possible or not...
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Old Nov 18, 2019, 10:51 pm
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Originally Posted by Goldorak
It is well-known for decades that the best route from one African country to another one is via Paris with AF
... and flying first class of course!
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Old Nov 18, 2019, 11:39 pm
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... and flying first class of course!
of course !
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Old Nov 20, 2019, 2:51 pm
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Hi guys, have you noticed these last months a negative trend where you are frequently escorted to your plane with other F PAX ?
Discussing with AF agents, it seems that are understaffed so that they need to group PAX in the same car/van .
With the newly access of HIPP members, the situation is not going to be better ...
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Old Nov 21, 2019, 12:50 am
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Originally Posted by Bullspread
Hi guys, have you noticed these last months a negative trend where you are frequently escorted to your plane with other F PAX ?
Discussing with AF agents, it seems that are understaffed so that they need to group PAX in the same car/van .
With the newly access of HIPP members, the situation is not going to be better ...
I was escorted in an own vehicle, as were the other pax in the B77W as there were 3 other BMW's parked next to the aircraft
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Old Nov 21, 2019, 1:32 am
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Originally Posted by Bullspread
Hi guys, have you noticed these last months a negative trend where you are frequently escorted to your plane with other F PAX ?
Discussing with AF agents, it seems that are understaffed so that they need to group PAX in the same car/van .
With the newly access of HIPP members, the situation is not going to be better ...
Had that only once. And that was 2-3 years ago. Never since, always had my "own" car
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Old Nov 21, 2019, 5:36 am
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Originally Posted by San Gottardo
Had that only once. And that was 2-3 years ago. Never since, always had my "own" car
Happened to me once or twice while flying with A380.
Never happened in B77W

However, last time I landed in CDG, one pax in P stayed in the tarmac and had to wait as there was no car waiting for him...
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Old Nov 21, 2019, 6:20 am
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Thank you for your feedback guys. It seems that I was not so lucky all the last times I flew F
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Old Nov 22, 2019, 7:27 am
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Old Nov 22, 2019, 7:52 am
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Will be flying in P in 10 days from NAP to MEX

I asked Ultimate Travel Assistant to book me a massage during my 2h in CDG as well as prepare some goodies.

Wait and see...
If nothing given, I'll be back early January in P from NTE to GRU. Hope to bring back something
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Old Nov 22, 2019, 10:21 am
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They'll probably give you something when you ask
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