50 minute connection at CDG - is this even possible?
 

Hi all - first post here, I'm hoping someone can help me. :) Sorry if I'm asking stupid questions below, I'm a very infrequent flyer compared to some here!

My boyfriend and I are planning on taking a trip to Nuremberg in September (we haven't booked flights yet), and the cheapest option for the outbound flight that I've found is GLA-CDG-NUE with Air France, leaving Glasgow at 09:00 and arriving in Nuremberg at 14:05. Unfortunately this flight has a 50 minute connection at CDG - I'd be nervous about that in any airport, but from what I remember of CDG I'm not sure if it will actually be possible to make the connection.

However, I haven't been to CDG for some time - I think the last time was connecting to a flight to Montreal (starting in either Glasgow or Edinburgh) about 6 years ago. Is connecting between two European flights going to be easier than connecting to a long-haul flight?

Also, if (when?) we did miss the connection, what would happen? There do seem to be CDG-NUE flights later in the day, but they're more expensive.

Thanks in advance for any replies. :)

Welcome to Flyertalk Fernweh :)
This connection is non-Schengen to Schengen, from terminal 2E to 2G (so it means a bus connection). It is feasible but tight, without room for problems (like late incoming aircraft). But, if you book it, and miss the connection, AF will rebook you for free on the next available flight.

Thanks Goldorak. :) Glad to hear it's feasible at least. Good to know we'll be rebooked if we miss the connection as well. Does that still apply if the flight is on time, but we miss the connection because security at CDG takes too long? I'm assuming we will have to go through security given that it's non-Schengen to Schengen.

Yes.

Ok great, thanks again. :)

Just to clarify, this would be two AF flights on the same ticket/PNR, right?

Yes, it would all be on one ticket. :) It's a Mini fare if that makes any difference.

it doesn't - you'll still be protected, although I thought AF didn't sell MiNi on connecting itineraries?

That said, i'm less optimistic than Goldorak in the sense that I think it is borderline impossible as a connection, so while you will be taken to NUE expect that there is at least a 50% chance that it will be ultimately be on that next flight unless flight no1 is early.

That's good, thanks. :) I've just double-checked and it definitely says it's a MiNi fare on the Air France website, so maybe it's a recent thing?

Ok - ultimately it's not the end of the world if we end up on the later flight, it would just be preferable to get there earlier if possible since we'll only have a few days in Nuremberg. I think the later flight gets in at about 6PM, as opposed to just after 2PM for the earlier one.

I would book it, nothing to lose!! I recommend pointing out the short connection time during your check-in and/or at the gate at GLA, in the hope that you will be moved to a seat closer to the front of the plane, which can genuinely make the difference between missing or making a connection like this.
I would say there is an 80% chance you will make your connection. If the passport control queue looks very long, you may want to try your luck asking an official (or passenger) if you can cut the line.
The short connection time also makes it liklier that luggage will not make it on - but if you're traveling only with carry-on that will not affect you.

Thanks HalconBCN. :) Good idea about sitting near the front - I normally choose seats near the back of the plane, but might make an exception in this case. ;) I take it I need to wait until we get to the airport before choosing seats for this type of ticket, then? Whenever I've booked with KLM I've been able to choose seats straight away, but this will be my first time booking through the Air France website (previous Air France flights were for family holidays, so my parents sorted them).

I would check in online anyway, choose whichever seat is available closest to the front and then ask again at the check in or gate if you can move up closer. Many times the rows behind business class have a bit of space. Smile and be nice, dress well, don't demand anything and accept it if there are no seats available...
The AF staff are just people like the rest of us, so if they feel empathy towards you they are more likely to help out.

For you connection 50 minutes is more than enough because of the following.



1. You remain air side
2. You take a Bus on the Airside between Terminal 2E to 2G (Maximum time 10 minutes ( this is from when you leave the air craft to the bus reaching the Terminal 2G

3. Show you boarding pass and you will be allowed in the Sky priority lane if your plane is late for the security check (less than 30 minutes)

4. Passport control queue - if long you just to move to the front by asking politely

5. Terminal 2G is so small (less then five minutes from passport control to any gate for the young without having to run). For seniors 10 minutes

6. Flights in terminal 2G tend to wait for connecting passengers up to a limit

7. I have never missed a connection using 2G even with the plane arriving within 30 minutes of departure from 2E/2F

Welcome to Flyertalk Beersheva :)
Your post contains plenty of useful and true information for OP, but I would certainly not say that 50 min for a connection from 2E to 2G is "more than enough". It is feasible but tight.

Thanks again everyone - I've finally managed to book the flights today, so I'll try and remember to report back once I've taken them to let you know if it worked out! :)

Do NOT do it !!

A friend of mine just missed her flight today from FCO-CDG-MAN. Flight landed 10 minutes late so making her 65 min connection to 55 mins. That does not include the time it took the plane to taxi and park. Another few mins passed.. and then the very long walk from Terminal 2 F. Bottleneck at Terminal 2F to Baggage Reclaim and another to Flight Connections. Chaos towards Terminal 2E. Arrived at gate where her plane is parked at the furthest gate possible, to a non sympathetic gate agent who initially told her that she should pay for her next flight since she missed this flight because she was 'late' and she doesn't know how to read signage, its not the airline's fault.

AF eventually rebooked her on Flybe. Boarding pass issued. Then when she asked if her bags would be transferred, they said, of course. When at the gate, BE agent noted that her ticket was cancelled and then they issued her a new ticket. Guess what? Upon arrival - no baggage !

Filed report. BE agent in MAN said, of course, AF at CDG would say that. They always say that. BE agent said that her baggage would be delivered tomorrow.

Having transferred at CDG myself, I would give myself at least 120 mins for any transfers even within T2. Don't risk it.

I hate CDG airport. That and FCO airport. ScreamTeam really.

I'm flying from DUB-CDG-SEA with a 1:05 connection in CDG.

The first segment is operated by AF City Jet on an Avro, and the second segment is operated by DL. I've been told that DUB-CDG arrives in Terminal 2E and my US-bound flight departs from 2E also.

Three question:
1. Does this connection seem doable?
2. Also, do most Avro jets deplane at a gate or remote stand? I ask because deplaning at a remote gate will eat into my connection time.
3. That said, even if my flight is at a remote stand, is the transfer generally painless and efficient?

Thanks, fellow FTers! :)

1) yes but tight ! Do not loose time en-route.
2) yes most of the time, so definitely, it will eat your connection time
3) I would say yes, but in your case the process will not be as "short" as if you were deplaning at a gate with a jetway.
Keep in mind the following :
- you will have to go through security (but not through immigration)
- T2E has 3 different concourses (K, L, M gates). If you are driven by bus to the terminal (from DUB), you will be dropped at the main 2E building (K gates). If your flight to SEA departs from K, then it will be quick. If you depart from L or M, you'll have to take an automatic train to reach your concourse. It runs very frequently. To pass security, do not hesitate to ask to skip the line if you are running short of time.

Thank you for this very helpful information! When I pass through security, I assume that there will be priority line for J or STE+ passengers? It's quite disconcerting to know that AF will sell as ticket with a 1:05 connection time when they know that this connection is incredibly tight and could cause a lot of misconnects and headaches for passengers. Why do they do this?!

Its tight, but doable. There will be a priority line for security. As for which gates it will depart from, CDG-SEA is the main route I fly out of CDG. I've never seen CDG-SEA leave from anything other than the M gates.

Thanks! The big unknown, then, is where the DUB flight arrives at. I assume it's gotta be Terminal 2E because it's a non-Schengen flight connecting to another non-Schengen flight. I also didn't know that Terminal 2E had different lettered piers. I thought it was just one long terminal :p. Man, it's been a long time since I've transited through CDG!

Yes for sure. Labeled Sky Priority.

QUOTE=UVAhoo06;26625299]It's quite disconcerting to know that AF will sell as ticket with a 1:05 connection time when they know that this connection is incredibly tight and could cause a lot of misconnects and headaches for passengers. Why do they do this?![/QUOTE]
They sell it because it is feasible and complies with the defined MCT. And it is very likely that the immense majority of the pax makes it, so...

Yes, as said, you will arrive in 2E, very very likely at K gates.