San Gottardo

Just arrived from a Schengen country and had to go through passport control on arrival. Not just agents standing in the jetway, but proper control booths.

Same for transfer pax, they also had to go through passport control.

Fairly recent, as this was not the case last Sunday, when I last passed through 2F.

carnarvon

Indeed. Just landed from HAM and got passport checked.

ranskis

Landed on 2D this morning from VIE, no passport check at all on arrival (and not even at boarding by Austrian).

San Gottardo

It's really odd. Just landed from Switzerland at terminal 2F, but on the western concourse. No passport control there. It seems they only do the passport controls using the booths for flights arriving the Eastern concourse, which used to be the non-Schengen one until some time ago, which is also why we still have the passport control booths there.

carnarvon

Not that odd if you think about the propensity of our politicians to pretend they are acting on problems when they actually only care about staying in place.

They do not have the manpower to conduct id checks everywhere.

So they order checks where they can easily be performed.

This way le bon peuple believes the state is acting for the common good.

Cofyknsult

Isn't the title BEWARE just a little dramatic ? considering that

1) ID cards are accepted
and
2) There is no way one can board any flight nowadays, even domestic within Switzerland, without showing identification.

So it is not like one is at risk of being denied entry for lack of a sudden and very hard to get visa...

This being said, Shengen is dead.

San Gottardo

Of course there is the manpower. They would only have to route passengers to the Western concourse exit and make everybody go through the passport control booths there.

But they don't, so they effectively have random controls where "random" simpy means that it is random whether you arrive at the Eastern or Western concourse.

San Gottardo

Not dramatic if you lose time at passport control when short on time connecting from one flight to another.

In the past people did not like to transfer between planes at CDG because even arriving from a Schengen point of origin one would have to go through security and the additional time that took created the risk to miss the connection.

Now, whilst there is no security control anymore when transferring from Schengen, there is passport control which may add a delay to the transfer time and thus create a risk to miss connecting flights.

As for ID checks, not sure you are right. For instance no ID checks within Switzerland, no (systematic) ID checks for Switzerland-France, and plenty of others. Yes, there is a rule that when traveling between Schengen countries passengers have to carry some form of ID with them, and that has always been the case. But it's not true that there are systematic ID checks on intra-Schengen flights.

It was never alive. If it's Schengen you mean , it fortunately isn't all quite dead yet. Let's hope they overhaul it in a meaningful way so that it won't actually die.

carnarvon

France may have numerous underemployed full time paid civil servants, but isn't this marginal compared to the number of PAF policemen required to screen all Schengen pax all the time?

Transferring all Schengen passengers to the Western concourse would lead to unacceptable queues, unless you increase the number of controllers dramatically (or build booths at the Eastern concourse); but where would these extra PAF policemen come from? Up to now, there were none at 2F.

Think about the work needed to reroute all PAX at CDG 2D & 3 as well as Orly.

Then all the PAF needed must be working somewhere else in normal times, don't you think?

The guys who screened me yesterday must have been coming from somewhere where they will ultimately be missed, no?

That is to say that hopefully they will overhaul Schengen, deploy Frontex at our Southern borders and things will be back to normal at 2F.

Cofyknsult

Actually, as in most of the world except the USA and very few countries, the law is that you must have ID wherever and at all times. Even in the US, you cannot do much without a Driver's License or "Non-Driver's" License (I love that one...).

As to GVA-ZRH flghts, between check-in agents and security, NOT having ID may not get you on board, although checks are spotty and not geared towards suspicion.

San Gottardo

Now there I fully agree, and I mentioned above: you must always travel with your ID. Also in Switzerland. I understood your post as saying that in Switzerland they would systematically do ID checks, but in fact they don't.

Sounds as if we were fully in line then?

olivedel

Guys,

I just landed from VLC in 2F2 and got passport-checked.
I don't know if they made changes to the distribution of flights between 2F1 and 2F2, but departures at least seem as mixed up as usual, so the "targeted flights" excuse may be a way to make this "communication event" a little more credible...

It took me 45 minutes to go through, as the booths are clearly understaffed. Typical passport control but at least done with politeness.
ADP organization was crap. They did not control destinations before sending connecting passengers to the booths, and passengers with a connecting flight in K gates who could use the tunnel and clear immigration there were sent to the same line as others, but refused by police and sent back to the connection tunnel.
Of course, no SkyPriority line.

Goldorak

ADP incompetence at its best...

carnarvon

BTW, anyone heard/read about when our governing caste plans to stop this nonsense?

mfkne

You're not flying a lot of KLM then. They removed ID checks for Schengen flights several years ago, except where required by law (e.g. departing from Spain)