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EUROPE
France
  • CDG : AF lounges in
    • Terminal 2F (Schengen): 2 lounges, one in each boarding pier (2F1 and 2F2). A new single lounge is planned for 2020, to replace the 2 current ones.
    • Terminal 2G (Schengen) : More info here.
    • Terminal 2E (non-Schengen) : one lounge in each concourse (K, L, M gates).Pictures of the renovated L lounge can be found here. La Première lounge is located in 2E-K and is subjected to special rules for access (P pax on AF-operating flights only, or restricted paid access for J pax flying on an AF-operating flight without P class).
    • Terminal 2C : arrival lounge, located landside at the extreme right of the terminal, after the last check-in counter, just before the corridor leading to 2A. This lounge has specific access rules and there is a specific thread about this lounge
Note that, among Skyteam partners :
- KL, AZ, UX depart from T2F and use AF lounges.
- ME, DL, VN, CZ, MU, RO, AM, KE, KQ depart from T2E and use AF lounges.
- SU and SV depart from T2C, where AF is not present anymore. So those airlines are using the contract lounges available in this terminal.
- OK departs from T2D, where AF is not present anymore. OK is using the contract lounge available in this terminal. (NO GUESTS ALLOWED FOR AF-TICKETED PAX on OK-SERVICE)
- AR, GA, CA and Xiamen do not serve CDG.
  • ORY :
    • Orly 1 - A Gates (Former Orly West Hall 1 / Schengen) : contract lounge (Premium Traveler). More info here
    • Orly 1 - B Gates (Former Orly West Hall 2 / Schengen) - AF lounge : more info here and here
    • Orly 2 (Former Orly West Hall 3 / non-Schengen) - AF lounge: Now closed definitely (since May 22, 2019),due to move of AF operations to Orly 3
    • Orly 3 (non-Schengen/Schengen) - Temporary lounge located by gate E04/D11 (No guests admitted due to size : 64 seats + 20 seats at tables), full AF Lounge will open in Q4 2019.
  • BOD : AF lounge in terminal B (more info here). For the rare case that a flight would depart from Terminal A (or KLM flights BOD->AMS), there is a contract lounge available.
  • LYS (T2): Hop Air France lounge. More info with a review here and also some pictures here.
    When flying on OS code-share LYS-VIE service, eligible AF-ticketed pax can use the Confluences lounge at Terminal 1 (see here).
  • MRS : airport lounge (located airside in hall 3, but also accessible from hall 4). More Info
  • NCE (T2): airport lounges (Infinity lounge for Schengen flights, Levity lounge for non-Schengen flights). More info here and here. Note : those lounges were previously called Cap Ferrat and Cap d'Antibes, respectively.
  • TLS : airport lounge (La croix du sud), airside. More info here.
  • MPL : airport lounge, airside. More info here
  • MLH: Skyview lounge. more info here
  • Other AF stations in France not listed above : no lounge.

Armenia
- EVN : Converse Bank Business Lounge. This is the generic contract lounge for all airlines at EVN. More info here

Austria
- VIE : Depends on the airline that is operating the flight.
  • When the flight is operated by Air France, the airport-operated JET lounge can be used at gate B (after security, near bus gates). More info here. (the non-schengen lounge at Gate D is also available, see here). A new Jet lounge is scheduled for 2020-2021.
  • When the flight is operated by Austrian, you can access the Austrian Business lounge

Belgium
- ZYR : Thalys lounge (business days) Hotel Pullman (1st floor) on week-ends
- BRU : airport lounge (Diamond lounge)

Bulgaria
- SOF : Preslav lounge

Croatia
- SPU : ???
- ZAG : Primeclass lounge. More info here

Czech Republic
- PRG : Erste Premier lounge. More info here

Denmark
- BLL : airport lounge (King Amlet lounge).
- CPH : airport lounge (Atelier lounge). More info here

Finland
- HEL : airport lounge (Aspire) – This route is entirely flown by AY in code-share with AF (only accessible if on AF coded ticket, if AY ticketed you get the AY business class lounge). More info here

Georgia
- TBS : ?

Germany
- BRE : airport lounge. More info here
- DUS : airport lounge (Hugo Junkers). More info here
- FRA : AF lounge. More info here.
- HAJ : airport lounge.
- HAM : airport lounge. More info here
- MUC : AF lounge. More info here
- NUE : airport lounge. More info here.
- STR : AF lounge. More info here
- TXL (Term A) : AF lounge (landside). more info here

Greece
- ATH : airport lounge (Goldair Handling). More info here
- HER : ???

Hungary
- BUD : airport lounge (Skycourt lounge). More info here

Ireland
- DUB : airport lounge (DAA Executive Lounge). More info here
- ORK : no lounge (to be confirmed)

Italy
- BLQ : airport lounge (MBL lounge). More info here
- BRI : ???
- CAG: No lounge.
- CTA : AZ lounge (Piazza Duomo)
- FCO : several AZ Schengen lounges : Dolce Vita (T1 lanside) or Borromini (airside, gates D, a long way from gates B which are used by AF flights). More info about Dolce Vita lounge here.
- FLR : airport lounge (Sala Masaccio).
- GOA : airport lounge (Sala Genova).- located landside, but with an exit directly into the fast track lane for security check
- LIN : 2 AZ lounges (Manzoni / Welcome). More info on Manzoni lounge here
- MXP : Schengen area: Sala Monteverdi, near gate 10. Non-Schengen: Montale Lounge by default, Casa Alitalia only if on AZ ticket or AZ operated flight.
- NAP : airport lounge (Naples airport VIP lounge).
- PMO : ???
- TRN : Airport lounge (Piemonte lounge).
- VCE : AZ lounge (Tintoretto). More info here

The Netherlands
- AMS : 2 KL lounges (1 Schengen and 1 non-Schengen).

Norway
- BGO : no lounge
- OSL : airport lounge (OSL lounge). More Info

Poland
- WAW : airport lounge (Fantazja). More info here and here
- WRO : ?

Portugal
- LIS (T1) : airport lounge (ANA lounge). More info here
- OPO : Airport Lounge (ANA lounge). More info here

Romania
- OTP : Tarom Business lounge (more info here).

Russia
- LED : airport lounge (Pulkovo lounge).
- SVO (Term E): "Space" lounge for AF/KL (and other non-SU operated) flights. "Galaxy" lounge for SU operated flights. See info on Space lounge here

Serbia
- BEG : airport lounge

Slovenia
- LJU : Adria airways lounge

Spain
- AGP : airport lounge (Aena). These flights are all operated by Skyteam partner UX.
- BCN (T1) : airport lounge (Pau Casals). More info here
- BIO : airport lounge (Aena). More info here
- MAD : airport lounge (Puerta del sol) (more info here). Since this review, the lounge has been renovated. Other info about food offering here
- PMI : ???
- VLC : airport lounge (Aena). These flights are all operated by Skyteam partner UX.

Sweden
- ARN (T2) : airport lounge (Aurora Menzies). More info here
- GOT : airport lounge (Menzies).

Switzerland
- GVA : AF lounge (French sector).
- ZRH : Aspire lounge (concourse B).
- BSL: see France/MLH

Turkey
- IST: Skyteam lounge. AFKL have transferred their Istanbul operations to the new IST airport on April 7, 2019. The new IST airport has a brand new Skyteam lounge.

Ukraine
- KBP : airport lounge.

United Kingdom
- ABZ : airport lounge (Servisair) called "Northern Lights"upstairs near Gate 1.
- BHX : airport lounge (Aspire).
- BRS : airport lounge (Aspire and sometimes Aspire Plus). More info on the Aspire Lounge
- EDI: airport lounge (Servisair, now called Aspire lounge).
- GLA: airport lounge (Upper Deck). More info
- LHR (T4) : Skyteam lounge. More Info
- MAN (T3) : 1903 lounge. More info here and there.
- NCL : Aspire Lounge.


NORTH AMERICA
Canada
- YUL: AF/KL lounge (more info here)
- YVR (International Terminal - Concourse D) : Skyteam lounge. More info here.
- YYZ (Term 3) : AF/KL lounge. More info here.

USA
Hereafter are listed the nonstop destinations to/from France (AF- and DL-operated as part of their transatlantic JV). DL SkyClubs are available in several other US airports and can be found on DL web site).
- ATL (Concourse F) : DL SkyClub (+ other DL SkyClubs in other concourses)
- BOS : for AF-operated flights (term E) : AF lounge (Graf lounge) - See here. For the DL-operated flight (Term A): DL SkyClub.
- JFK : AF lounge in T1 (some pictures here and in this trip report, including of the reserved area for P pax). For the DL-operated flights JFK-NCE and JFK-CDG : DL SkyClub in T4.
- PIT* : lounge "The Club", located in concourse C between gates C54 and C56. Note that this is a temporary location and that another permanent location will open in October 2017. More info here
- IAD : AF lounge (concourse A). Update June 2019 : lounge has reopened after extension and renovation. Pictures of the lounge before extension & renovation can be found here.
- MIA : DL SkyClub.
- CVG* : DL SkyClub.
- DFW : DL SkyClub.
- DTW : several DL SkyClubs available in each concourse. AF (and DL) flights to CDG depart from Concourse A, which has 3 SkyClubs (the main one in the middle of the terminal and 1 at each of the terminal station of the trains system).
- ORD (T5) : AF lounge.
- MSP : DL SkyClub.
- RDU* : DL SkyClub
- SLC* : DL SkyClub.
- SEA : DL SkyClub.
- IAH : AF lounge.
- SFO : AF lounge (Virgin Atlantic lounge for P pax).
- LAX (TBIT) : According to the information provided in this post, AF will not use anymore KE lounge from Nov 1st 2017 and will use the QF lounge instead (valid for both J and P pax). AF has also a plan to build their own lounge at TBIT (2019 ?). For the KE lounge (still used for Y/W Elite plus pax), more info in this thread including pictures of the KE lounge.

* route flown by DL metal only

CENTRAL & SOUTH AMERICA
- BOG : El Dorado lounge. More info here
- CAY : AF lounge.
- CCS : airport lounge (Premier club).
- CUN : AM lounge.
- EZE (Term C): AR lounge (salon Condor). More Info
- FOR : ? (supposed to be a GOL lounge, TBC)
- GIG (T2) : GOL VIP lounge (more info here). Note : AF has moved their operations from T1 to T2 in June 2016. The former AF lounge in T1 has been definitely closed (a review of the former AF lounge in T1 is accessible here.)
- GRU : Executive VIP lounge. More info here
- LIM : airport lounge (SUMAQ VIP lounge). More info here.
- MEX (T1) : Grand Elite Lounge. More info here.
- PTY : Copa Club lounge.
- SCL : DL SkyClub. More info here. Note : a Skyteam lounge is scheduled to open before end 2018 (update 06/2019 : still no information about this new ST lounge).
- SJO : ?
- UIO : Mitad del Mundo lounge

ASIA / PACIFIC
- BKK : AF lounge (concourse F). See here. Some pictures after the renovation are available here, here and here.
- BLR : Plaza Premium lounge
- BOM : airport lounge (MALS - Mumbai Airport Lounge Services).
- DEL : airport lounge (Plaza premium).
- HKG : Skyteam lounge : more info here. P pax have the choice between the Skyteam lounge or the QF lounge : review of QF lounge here
- HND (Int’l terminal) : JL Sakura lounge (more info here).
- ICN : KE lounge. See here. Note April 2018 : since this review, AFKL have moved operations to new terminal 2 and use the new KE lounge in T2.
- KIX : KIX Airside lounge.
- NOU : SB Hibiscus lounge (accessible to AF pax only when flying J between NOU and NRT or KIX, in connection with an AF flight to CDG).
- NRT : DL SkyClub (Note : AF lounge has closed in 2014).
- PEK (T2) : Skyteam lounge. More info here and here and here. Update DEC 2018 : Lounge temporarily (?) closed. Pax can use the T2 BGS lounge.
- PPT : TN lounge (Manuhiri lounge).
- PVG (T1) : P pax: MU "lounge 36" (gate 18). J and Elite+ pax: lounge 37 (gate 18) or 39 (just after security)
- SGN : VN lounge.
- SIN : Dnata SkyView lounge (term 1) for J and Elite Plus pax (more info here). For P pax : JetQuay lounge at C.I.P. terminal (more info in two trip reports : report 1 and report 2) and/or QF lounge airside (More info here).
- TPE : CI lounge (Dynasty lounge)
- WUH : Airport lounge

CARIBBEAN & INDIAN OCEAN
- FDF : AF lounge.
- HAV : airport lounge.
- MLE : Leeli lounge
- MRU : MK lounge. More Info
- PAP : ?
- PTP : AF lounge.
- PUJ : airport lounge (VIP Lounge Punta Cana)
- RUN : AF lounge.
- SDQ : airport lounge (Sala VIP Caribe) More Info
- SEZ: airport lounge.
- SXM : airport lounge (Soualiga).
- TNR : Constellation lounge


MIDDLE EAST
- AMM : airport lounge (Crown lounge).
- AUH (T1): Al Dhabi lounge. More info here. Al Reem lounge.
- BEY : MEA Cedar lounge. More info here
- CAI : SV (Al Fursan) lounge.
- DXB : Skyteam lounge in terminal 1 concourse D (more info here). AF P pax use the Ahlan lounge.
- RUH (T2) : Contract lounge (Wellcome Lounge) Info here
- TLV (T3) : Airport lounges (Dan lounge, one at Concourse B and one at Concourse C). See info here


AFRICA
- ABJ : airport lounge (Aeria).
- ABV : airport lounge (FAAN VIP lounge)
- ACC: Akwaaba Lounge
- ALG : AH lounge.
- BGF : airport lounge.
- BKO : airport lounge.
- BZV : ?
- CKY : airport lounge.
- CMN : AT lounge.
- COO : airport lounge.
- CPT : International - BidVest airport lounge, Domestic (When flying with Comair/Kulula to JNB to connect to Int'l flights) - SLOW lounge
- DLA : AF lounge.
- DSS (New Dakar airport): Infinity lounge
- FIH : Okapi lounge
- FNA : airport lounge.
- JIB : AF lounge. More info here.
- JNB : SLOW lounge (P pax have access to a special controlled access VIP room with a butler in the SLOW lounge) - More info here. Note that the AF/KL lounge is closed permanently since April 1st, 2016. A review (with pics) of the ex AF lounge can be read here
- LAD : TAAG lounge.
- LBV : airport lounge.
- LOS : AF lounge.
- MBA : Safari lounge
- NBO : KQ lounge (Simba lounge)
- NDJ : ?
- NIM : airport lounge.
- NKC : airport lounge.
- ORN : VIP Egsa lounge
- OUA : airport lounge (Regie).
- PHC : airport lounge. Note : route to be suspended from end March 2019.
- PNR : airport lounge (HAT Enterprises).
- RAK : AT Oasis Lounge. More info here
- RBA : airport lounge (Pearl lounge). More info here
- ROB : ?
- SSG : Sala VIP lounge
- TUN : TU lounge. More info here

Paid access for AF lounges (as of 17 OCT 2018):
FRANCE
- CDG 2C (arrival lounge) : 50 EUR between 5 :30 am and 10 am. 35 EUR from 10 am
- CDG 2E K/L/M : 50 EUR or 8000 miles
- CDG 2F : 35 EUR or 8000 miles
- CDG 2G : 35 EUR or 8000 miles
- ORY hall 2 : 25 EUR or 6000 miles
- ORY hall 3 : 35 EUR or 6000 miles
- BOD : 25 EUR or 6000 miles
- LYS : 25 EUR or 6000 miles

EUROPE
- TXL : 25 EUR or 6000 miles
- FRA : 25 EUR or 6000 miles
- MUC : 25 EUR or 6000 miles
- STR : 25 EUR or 6000 miles
- GVA : 40 CHF or 6000 miles

NORTH AMERICA
- BOS : 35 USD or 6000 miles
- JFK : 50 USD or 6000 miles
- IAD : 50 USD or 6000 miles
- ORD : 40 USD or 6000 miles
- IAH : 35 USD or 6000 miles
- SFO : 50 USD or 6000 miles
- YYZ : 35 CAD or 6000 miles
- YUL : ?

APAC
- BKK : 1000 THB or 6000 miles

AFRICA / MIDDLE EAST
- DLA : 30 EUR or 6000 miles
- DXB : 35 EUR or 6000 miles (personal comment from Goldorak: not sure this is still valid for the Skyteam lounge. It can be an outdated information about the former AF lounge)
- CAI : 25 EUR or 6000 miles (personal comment from Goldorak: not sure this is still valid as there is no more AF lounge in CAI)

CARRIBEAN / INDIAN OCEAN
- PTP : 30 EUR or 6000 miles
- FDF : 25 EUR or 6000 miles
- RUN : 30 EUR or 6000 miles

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Old May 20, 19, 1:13 pm
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Originally Posted by PeanutYYZ View Post
On a related note, since 2G is also Schengen, would it be possible to go from 2F to 2G (on the orange shuttle) to use the lounge there? Or do they again check boarding passes and prevent access unless you are leaving from those gates?
I believe you don't realize the hassles to commute between 2F and 2G just for the purpose of visiting the lounge ! There's nothing in the 2G lounge that you won't have in the 2F one, with the exception of the Champagne
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Originally Posted by dcaiadflyer View Post
I'm curious about this too! Flying out next Sunday, May 26, and will report back. It was supposed to be finished "Spring 2019" and then "late April 2019" but here in DC we are decidedly into summer weather (the slow construction and constant pushing back of deadlines are no stranger to us). Memorial Day weekend is kind of the beginning of the high season of USA to Europe travel and I'd be surprised if they hadn't pushed it to be finished by then.
There were recent info here :
AF in 2019: A350/B777 COI config, WiFi status, matress topper in J, ORY/IAD Lounges
I will have also first hand information later this week.
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Originally Posted by PeanutYYZ View Post
At ZRH I've been able to get through this by just saying "I'm going to the lounge", but maybe the French are stricter about this Thanks for the info!
The difference is not between two countries with the same rule and one applying it more strictly than the other. The difference is that the Swiss are more pragmatic for this matter ("if you have a passport that lets you go through immigration and you are cleared through security then we don't care where you walk around") and the French less so ("You cannot pass security here because you fly from somewhere else. This is for security reasons. If you go to your departure terminal you are not dangerous. However, if you go into this terminal you are considered a danger. Also, if you see a manned immigration counter, they will check your passport and your boarding pass to make sure you really leave the country. If you go through the automatic gate we don't care").

The CDG situation is absurd. Which results in you being allowed to use only the concourse/terminal from which you depart.

PS: off-topic, but there is a absurdity in the security setup in Zurich as well, albeit of a different kind. When you arrive on LX from certain countries (UK, USA, Canada, Singapore, I believe also Japan) you disembark straight into the secure airside part of the airport and can go to your connecting flight without passing through security again. If you land from those same countries but on AA, DL, UA, BA, CX etc, you disembark in the "unsafe" arrivals area and will have to go through security to get your connecting flight. This is especially absurd in the case of flights from New York JFK to Zurich: both LX and DL leave from *exactly* the same concourse in JFK, often use neighbouring gates. Passengers for those flights go through *exactly* the same TSA security check points. When arriving in Zurich, passengers off the LX flight ar econsidered "clean", the ones arriving on the DL flight are not. Absurd. Just to show that being pragmatic in one matter does not prevent you from being absurd in another.

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The CDG situation is absurd. Which results in you being allowed to use only the concourse/terminal from which you depart.
It is not really a question of "absurdity" as such but of whether airside areas are zones which, in principle, should be open to the public at large or whether these are restricted zones, access to which should be limited to those who have a need to be there.

Both ZRH and CDG or, for that matter, most airports take the latter view: you are in principle only allowed to access airside if you need to be there, that is to say, for passengers, you need to fly from there. The general public cannot, in either ZRH or CDG, go airside merely because they want to. AIUI you could not, for instance, go airside in ZRH anymore than in CDG merely because you want to go to a shop there or see a friend or relative to their departure gate. The difference between CDG and ZRH is that CDG, like a number of other airports such as LHR, applies a stricter version of the same principle by limiting access just to the specific terminal you are departing from rather than the whole of the airside area.

It is no more "absurd" to limit passenger access to the airside area of terminals they are departing from than it is to limit airside access to passengers rather than all and sundry, whether or not they fly from the airport or merely visit it. If you accept that airside access should be restricted to passengers, that is to say to persons who need to be there, then it is not especially illogical or absurd to restrict access to the specific part of the airside area they need access to for their flight.

Now, you can make an argument that airside access should be more widely open and not limited to passengers but that is a different issue and not a question of "absurdity".
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Originally Posted by dcaiadflyer View Post
I'm curious about this too! Flying out next Sunday, May 26, and will report back. It was supposed to be finished "Spring 2019" and then "late April 2019" but here in DC we are decidedly into summer weather (the slow construction and constant pushing back of deadlines are no stranger to us). Memorial Day weekend is kind of the beginning of the high season of USA to Europe travel and I'd be surprised if they hadn't pushed it to be finished by then.
Originally Posted by Goldorak View Post
There were recent info here :
AF in 2019: A350/B777 COI config, WiFi status, matress topper in J, ORY/IAD Lounges
I will have also first hand information later this week.
Based on the report of someone I know who was in this lounge yesterday, it is reopen for the 1st part (the space we knew from the former lounge), but it seems the lower floor is not open yet. I understood that the left part when you enter (the ex-P part) is not anymore the P-reserved part and that there are some tables there now.
@dcaiadflyer : as you will be there soon, please tell us more and if possible, post pictures
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more info about renovated IAD lounge

Originally Posted by Goldorak View Post
Based on the report of someone I know who was in this lounge yesterday, it is reopen for the 1st part (the space we knew from the former lounge), but it seems the lower floor is not open yet. I understood that the left part when you enter (the ex-P part) is not anymore the P-reserved part and that there are some tables there now.
@dcaiadflyer : as you will be there soon, please tell us more and if possible, post pictures
Some more info from the interview of Carole Peytavin on Flightreport
https://blog.flight-report.com/fr/en...ntee-en-gamme/

Les vols au départ de Washington ont une forte proportion de clients fréquents en Première et en Business exigeants en quête d’efficacité qui souhaitent optimiser leur déplacement et arriver à Paris frais et dispos pour leur rendez-vous.
Notre nouveau salon offrira 25% de surface en plus avec maintenant 615 M2 repartis sur 2 niveaux et 155 places assises.
Comme à New York, le salon proposera le night service pour le vol AF027 de 21h10 qui permet de diner au salon et de profiter au maximum du vol pour se reposer gr ce également au service café croissant express qui séduit de nombreux passagers.
On y trouvera également un bar avec une offre d’alcools, spiritueux, bières et vins servis par un barman, une salle à manger du même type qu’au salon 2EL de CDG et un espace VIP dédié à notre clientèle La Première.
Le nouvel espace situé à l’étage inférieur offre un superbe ciel lumineux qui change au gré de l’heure et permet de se détendre avant de partir. C’est une belle réalisation qui devrait recevoir un accueil très positif de nos clients et que nous avons h te d’inaugurer.
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Flights departing from Washington have a high proportion of frequent business class and first class demanding customers looking for efficiency who want to optimize their travel and get to Paris fresh and ready for their appointment.
Our new lounge will offer 25% more space with 615 M2 spread over 2 floors and 155 seats.
As in New York, the lounge will offer the "night service" for flight AF027 from 21:10 which allows dinner in the lounge to rest during most of the flight
There is also a bar with an offer of alcoholic beverages, spirits, beers and wines served by a bartender, a dining room of the same type as the 2EL lounge of CDG and a VIP area dedicated to our La Première customers.
The new space on the lower level offers a beautiful, bright sky that changes over time and allows you to relax before departing. This is a beautiful achievement that should receive a very positive response from our customers and that we are eager to inaugurate.
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Originally Posted by Goldorak View Post
Based on the report of someone I know who was in this lounge yesterday, it is reopen for the 1st part (the space we knew from the former lounge), but it seems the lower floor is not open yet. I understood that the left part when you enter (the ex-P part) is not anymore the P-reserved part and that there are some tables there now.
@dcaiadflyer : as you will be there soon, please tell us more and if possible, post pictures
Assuming it's not too crowded due to it not being fully open yet and they let let this lowly Delta GM/STE+ in, I will take some photos on Sunday and report back!
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Originally Posted by NickB View Post
It is not really a question of "absurdity" as such but of whether airside areas are zones which, in principle, should be open to the public at large or whether these are restricted zones, access to which should be limited to those who have a need to be there....
Based on the way I wrote it, you are right. The way I wrote it sounds as if I found absurd that not every person can go airside.

What I wanted (and obviously failed to say is): in Zurich any *passenger* flying that day can access any air-side departure part of any concourse of the airport. In Paris passengers on the day of departure can only access the concourse/terminal they are flying from.

What I find absurd in Paris are two things:
1) The reason given by staff for why a ticketed passenger cannot enter another terminal/concourse: "for security reasons". To take an example: I want to go to the lounge in 2F, but my flight leaves from 2E. What exactly is it that compromises security if I am in the air-side departure area of 2F even though my flight leaves from 2E? Why does the fact that I am air-side in the terminal from which my flight leaves make me an un-dangerous person, but I suddenly become a dangerous person in a different terminal only because my flight does not leave from there? Shouldn't the criteria for whether or not someone is dangerous be whether or not that person passes the security controls successfully, rather than whether or not his/her flight leaves from that terminal?

2) Immigration officers refusing entry into the air-side when the boarding pass doesn't show a departure from that concourse/terminal. Since when is final destination a criteria for whether or not someone is allowed to leave the country? What matters is someone has travel documents that are in order and allow passing the border, but not where that person goes after having passed the border. So basically, by refusing people who leave from another terminal the immigration officers are not applying immigration rules but some other rules.
That becomes absurd when you then realise that the rule of not being able to pass immigration with a boarding pass from another terminal is only applied to passengers who pass by a manned counter. Those using PARAFE biometric gates with the right travel documents are allowed to pass the border without their boarding pass and final destination being checked. There shouldn't be different criteria for passing the border depending on whether you pass by a manned agent or whether you use PARAFE.

The Zurich absurdity really is absurd: why are people that go through one and the same security filter in JFK and board their flight at one and the same concourse at JFK Terminal 4 treated as "clean arrivals" when they arrive on board an LX plane but as "unclean arrivals" when they arrive on board a DL plane? Shouldn't security procedures in the departing airport be the criteria for whether or not an arrival is "clean", rather than which airline is being used?
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Old Jun 1, 19, 6:47 am
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Air France ouvre son nouveau salon à Washington

28/05/2019

Le 15 mai 2019, Air France a ouvert son salon entièrement rénové de l'aéroport de Washington (IAD).

Entièrement rénové et agrandi, le salon dispose désormais de 2 niveaux (le niveau inférieur ouvrira en juin)
Le bar, un élément iconique propose une sélection d'alcools, de spiritueux et de vins.
Une atmosphère moderne et élégante dans l'esprit des nouveaux salons Air France : luminaires, larges banquettes circulaires, fauteuils enveloppants invitant au confort et à la convivialité.
Un espace dédié à l’offre «Night Service» accueillera les clients dès fin mai.
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I have an award business class ticket on AF011 from JFK to Paris. I know I can't have a lounge guest free of charge, but can I pay for a guest?
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I have an award business class ticket on AF011 from JFK to Paris. I know I can't have a lounge guest free of charge, but can I pay for a guest?
Yes for 50 USD or 6000 miles, if there is space (note that this is not obvious as this is a peak time). I believe your guest needs to be a FB member but I am not sure they are strict on this.
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Yes for 50 USD or 6000 miles, if there is space (note that this is not obvious as this is a peak time). I believe your guest needs to be a FB member but I am not sure they are strict on this.

Thanks, Goldorak! I guess we'll have to go there and ask if there is space.
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Questions for SCL and PEK regulars :
- SCL : any news about the ST lounge that was supposed to open end 2018. It seems it's still not open. What's happening ? Any info from anyone here ?
- PEK : in the wiki, we have information about temporary (?) closure of the ST lounge end 2018. What's the status now ?
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Re Paris not allowing you into terminals other than your flight's terminal, I propose a different way to look at it. The airport has chosen to simplify its own internal policies at your expense. If people can move around between different terminals, then they need to have policies about it, need to provide staff to check you as you move between terminals. This is easier/lazier for them.

I'm facing a similar annoying issue in HKG where, if on arrival you follow the signs for Transit in order to shower in a nice lounge, you CANNOT leave the airport afterwards and go into town. Why? Dunno.
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