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Just saw this thread in the DL forum :
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/delt...ge-closed.html it seems that the Skyteam lounge in PEK is closed since 12/2018 for renovations. Weird, as it is a very recent lounge. Pax are directed to the T2 BGS lounge. |
Accra (ACC) New International Terminal (T3)
Akwaaba Lounge Quite hard to find, very new and quite noisy. Food offering is limited. Has a bar area, with local beer, some spirits, wine etc. Services Wifi: Yes Showers: Yes Toilets: Yes Quiet zone: No Loungers/sleep area: Yes Business area: Spa: No TV area: Yes Passengers are called: Yes Information screen: Yes Newspapers: Other information Number of seats: 200? Level of noise: Quite high Design: Modern, bright View: Apron Multi floors: No Terrace: Smoking area: Direct boarding: No |
Originally Posted by DCAhome
(Post 30596100)
In the Etihad lounge at IAD waiting on AF 55 now. We arrived before the AF check-in counters were open, but had our electronic boarding passes on our phones, so we were able to get airside and make our way to the lounge. The staff were a bit surprised to see us so early (right before 2 pm for a 6:30 pm flight), but let us in without any special invitation. They took our names, and mentioned that they hadn't received the passenger list yet from AF.
The lounge is nice, and the buffet had some good-quality hot dishes for dinner. I had lamb curry over rice, and there was also a chicken and a pasta dish. After the main course, I sampled some of the cheese and desserts offered as well. Quite tasty! I'd argue that it's a step above the AF lounge at IAD even without the table service that Etihad used to provide.
Originally Posted by flyingrohit
(Post 30807045)
Etihad First and Business Lounge Washington Dulles
Washington Dulles International Airport (IAD) Operating hours: 3PM-10PM (AF55 leaves 630PM so rest of time is for EY pax and RAM pax) Entry requirements: - Etihad First Class/Business Class, Etihad Gold and Platinum Members - Royal Air Maroc premium passengers - Air France Business/SkyTeam Elite Plus Passengers (La Premiere passengers use VS Clubhouse) (AF pax access ONLY WHILE AF LOUNGE IAD IS CLOSED) Food offer https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...7cc789d0dd.jpg https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...f06a93cca7.jpg https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...0e208a2312.jpg https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...35e078d525.jpg https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...32e13e4ca8.jpg https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...819e519e63.jpg Drinks offer Full Service staffed Bar https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...759b7d138b.jpg Self Serve Area: https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...3dc4477ad4.jpg https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...e56ca2554a.jpg Services Wifi: Yes and speed was pretty fast for browsing emails and social media Showers: Yes Toilets: https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...592a1b08de.jpg https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...8de0a98c70.jpg Quiet zone: No designated quiet zone, but the upper floor was quieter and private than the lower floor (picutres further down) Loungers/sleep area: Nope Business area: Yes right in front of you as you enter the lounge area. https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...8b3b89e47c.jpg Spa: Nope TV area: Yes upstairs https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...7b70843ae9.jpg Passengers are called: No, but for AF pax, people start lining up at lounge door for direct boarding around boarding time, so you'll get the hint. Information screen: Yes by the dining area. Newspapers: Yes by the kids room which is by the entrance to the lounge https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...8874e1824c.jpg Other information Number of seats: Sorry, not sure of this one Level of noise: Reasonably quiet except for normal level chatter of nearby passengers Design: Mostly nice and modern, lots of natural light though serious lack of power ports throughout the lounge! https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...dca5cf5b18.jpg https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...bfaf63f7d2.jpg https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...33225b1483.jpg https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...8ef37dfbcf.jpg https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...1b3473c9a6.jpg View: Yes, got some pictures! large windows! https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...a14865ec34.jpg https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...5bde73bb30.jpg Multi floors: Yes! The above photos are of the ground floor, here's the upper floor: https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...86e7c303e9.jpg https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...50951d0f9a.jpg https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...8f08791250.jpg https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...e621566ba8.jpg https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...8b7bd7224e.jpg Terrace: Nope Smoking area: I don't think so, though I'm not sure of this one Direct boarding: Yes! The door at the end of the photo is where boarding passes are checked and you can board the plane directly! https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...4a27ef9214.jpg Hope this wasn't too many photos or hogging up the thread, but mainly hope this helps the rest of you guys! I asked the AF staff for an update about the reopening of the AF lounge : now scheduled end April. |
BLQ - Marco Business Lounge
Name of the lounge : Marco Business Lounge (MBL)
Location: do not pass security. Go to the right of security, following the Business Lounge signs. Note: the lounge gives you a fast track access for the security line, that you can access from the back of the Lounge. https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...7f8322f0f1.jpg https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...86a0ce7099.jpg https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...d735ca9e59.jpg Opening Hours: 05:00 to 21:30 Entry requirements: Usual Skyteam Requirements Food offer: At 17:00 some minimal Italian sandwiches, warmed pizzas , crackers, and aperitives. Yogurts in the fridge. Drinks offer: A fridge contains water, sodas, juices, non-alcoholic beer Moretti. At the counter, you can order for free coffee, tea, beer Beck's, wine, and sparkling wine (all in an appropriate glass). Services Wifi: No. The airport has an unlimited free wifi. Showers: No Toilets: Yes Quiet zone: No Loungers/sleep area: No Business area: No Spa: No TV area: No Passengers are called: No Information screen: Yes, plenty Newspapers: some in Italian, some are AFKLM press, a few in English. Other information Number of seats: around 75 Level of noise: Low for Italian standards, one could easily hear your conversation though. Design: Typical Italian design that feels like the 80s View: None Multi floors: No Terrace: No Smoking area: No Direct boarding: No, and don't forget you have to clear the (fast track) security first! |
Prague (PRG) - Vaclav Havel airport - Erste Premier lounge
Name of the lounge PRG - Vaclav Havel Airport - Erste Premier Lounge. Not the best lounge in the world... Location: Terminal 2, airside, upstairs near gate C2 (gate used by AF) Opening Hours: 5 am to 10 pm Entry requirements : usual ST requirements. Possibility of paid access for 720CZK (about 28€) Food offer : limited to cold cuts + one (poor) warm option : fried chicken KFC style :( Drinks offer : poor wines, beers, soft drinks Services Wifi: yes Showers: not sure (didn’t pay attention) Toilets: yes Quiet zone: no Loungers/sleep area: no Business area: no Spa: no TV area: no Passengers are called: no Information screen: yes Newspapers: yes (significant selection) Other information Number of seats: about 80 Level of noise: low Design: see pictures View: no Multi floors: no Terrace: no Smoking area: no Direct boarding: no, but AF gate is very close. https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...997233885.jpeg https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...b08c77eca.jpeg https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...b5237426a.jpeg https://cimg4.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...3d33b1870.jpeg https://cimg5.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...8228e782f.jpeg https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...e0246d9a5.jpeg https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...3c54ee252.jpeg https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...af739fec1.jpeg https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...27c2cabd2.jpeg https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...261e486fe.jpeg https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...3c67b1c93.jpeg |
Anyone has experience with the showers in the 2G lounge? The Wiki says they have showers (didn't expect that, but great surprise). What do they provide? Generally available? Anything else I'd need to know? |
Originally Posted by San Gottardo
(Post 31001242)
Anyone has experience with the showers in the 2G lounge? The Wiki says they have showers (didn't expect that, but great surprise). What do they provide? Generally available? Anything else I'd need to know? |
Thank you Goldorak! |
I once had a 1h wait for the showers, so I skipped. It was when I arrived at the lounge 1h before a lot of flights would depart to Germany.
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Originally Posted by Goldorak
(Post 30971405)
Name of the lounge PRG - Vaclav Havel Airport - Erste Premier Lounge. Showers: not sure (didn’t pay attention) |
Rat in AF lounge Bangkok
I was only one of two guests late at night (the other guest was on the other side of the lounge and sleeping). The massive rat scurried past me towards my baggage. I was standing, working on my laptop next to the food counter. My shock at the scurry thing meant that I was too late to react to get a video, but believe me, it was a massive rat. I tried to follow it and it went past the food counters towards the back of the lounge under chairs etcs when it disappeared out of sight. I informed the front desk lady who came with me to try and locate it but couldn't. She mentioned that she will inform housekeeping and left it at that. I left the lounge straight after, regretting the few bites I had taken earlier.
Happened on the night of 27/28 Apr, around 3:30 AM. Posted without malice towards Air France or anyone else, but so that others are aware of hygiene issues at this lounge. |
Originally Posted by vikamgoyal
(Post 31046863)
I was only one of two guests late at night (the other guest was on the other side of the lounge and sleeping). The massive rat scurried past me towards my baggage. I was standing, working on my laptop next to the food counter. My shock at the scurry thing meant that I was too late to react to get a video, but believe me, it was a massive rat. I tried to follow it and it went past the food counters towards the back of the lounge under chairs etcs when it disappeared out of sight. I informed the front desk lady who came with me to try and locate it but couldn't. She mentioned that she will inform housekeeping and left it at that. I left the lounge straight after, regretting the few bites I had taken earlier.
Happened on the night of 27/28 Apr, around 3:30 AM. Posted without malice towards Air France or anyone else, but so that others are aware of hygiene issues at this lounge. |
AFKLM Lounge Berlin
EDIT: I though that this lounge didn't have any review, however the wiki already has a report for this one. Nothing changed since the last review.
Name of the lounge: AFKLM Lounge Location: This lounge is landside, you will need to clear security afterwards. There is a central area with stairs and an elevator near the check-in A15. Go to the 3rd floor. Opening Hours: 4:45 to 21:30 Entry requirements: usual requirements Food offer At lunch, I had meatballs, potatoes, bretzels, many small entries. I saw the same machine than at the STR lounge to keep the sausages warm, so I guess they change the offer each time. Cakes, biscuits, yogurts available. Note: the hot buffet is behind the newspapers, left to the entrance. Drinks offer A lot of beers and cola in the fridge, also sodas, wine, champagne, and spirits available. You even have syrups, and enough stuff to do some cocktails. Services Wifi: Yes, with a password. Showers: No Toilets: Outside the lounge Quiet zone: no Loungers/sleep area: no Business area: no Spa: no TV area: Yes, French TV Passengers are called: yes Information screen: no Newspapers: yes, in French, German, English. They even have Le Canard Enchaîné, which is unusual. Other information Number of seats: ~60 Level of noise: medium. Design: typical AF lounge View: on the airport (Both sides) Multi floors: no Terrace: no Smoking area: no Direct boarding: no https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...da4de1eefd.jpg https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...a657a61142.jpg https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...912a9d8bd7.jpg https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...1514545916.jpg |
Move of AF ops to Orly 3 / New Lounge
Hello all,
While hunting for info on Orly 3 i came over a snippet on AF's lounge section on their website. With the move of non-Navette flights and long hauls to Orly 3, AF are working on a new lounge for Orly 3 pax. It is unclear whether only long-haul pax or everyone will be able to access eventually due to how Orly 3 is designed with passport control located after security controls, with most shops and resturants located also before passport control and after security control. This lounge is slated to open in Q4. The current Orly 2/Hall 3 lounge will close on May 13th, coinciding with the move of the long-haul ops to Orly 3. From May 14th-16th, long-haul pax may ask for a food voucher at SP check-in. On May 17th, a temporary lounge will open near gate E04/D11 (located in the "mixed zone" where gates can convert from Schengen to Non-Schengen on demand.) No guests will be admitted into the temporary lounge. Due to the location of the temporary lounge, it could be reasonable to think the lounge will be accessible to Schengen pax if a long-haul flight is not leaving at the same time, or if a Schengen flight is assigned to gate D11-D15. Have updated the wiki with this info as well. |
We'll be connecting at CDG in J. We arrive at 2E, leave out of 2F. I've heard of possible success in using the AF lounges in 2E upon arrival. Any best practices for navigating this?
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Any news about reopening of IAD lounge ? |
Future single lounge in CDG 2F
Good news : the construction of the future CDG 2F lounge has started :). The work area is well visible from the 2 boarding piers. As a reminder, this new lounge will replace the 2 existing ones and will be located between the 2 piers. The entrance will be in the walkway between 2F1 and 2F2 just across the main security checkpoint. It will propose a higher capacity than the sum of the 2 current lounges and it will be on 2 floors. https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...fde5c12e1.jpeg https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/www.fly...4e9116bcf.jpeg |
Thanks for the helpful information.
I'll probably be using this lounge in July for a KLM flight out. Do you know if there is much of a wait for a shower? |
Originally Posted by Giantlonglegs
(Post 31091406)
Thanks for the helpful information.
I'll probably be using this lounge in July for a KLM flight out. Do you know if there is much of a wait for a shower? But you can use one of the 2 existing lounges. For your question about the wait for a shower, I am afraid it’s hard to answer this question as it depends on so many factors we don’t know (what time of the day you expect to be there, week day or weekend, etc) or we don’t control (booking level of flights on this particular day). What I can tell you is that shower capacity is limited in those lounges. |
Phone Glitch
Sorry, i had a phone glitch.
i was referring to the Al Dhabi Lounge in Abu Dhabi Airport, for the shower question. My flight out is with KLM at 2am in the morning. I'll probably check in as soon as I can in the early part of the evening. Sorry for the confusion. |
BRS Lounge
Name of the lounge: Aspire Lounge
Not to be mistaken with the Aspire Plus lounge (even though the KLM website advertises that we are are entitled to the Aspire Plus lounge) Location: The Aspire Lounge is between the Burger King and the Brunei bar, upstairs. Clear security, clear the duty free, go upstairs, and find a way between the BK and the Brunei bar. Opening Hours: 04:30 to 19:00 Entry requirements: Usual Skyteam requirement or one of the many lounge passes available. Food offer: Salads, cheeses, other starters, 2 choices of hot meals (I noticed Chicken&Mushroom with pasta, and Sweet potato&rice dish), soup, fruits, cookies, jams and honeys, cake. Drinks offer Sodas, coffee machines, tea, milk, juices. Alcohol is served at the counter free of charge, following a new policy in Bristol against drunk pax. Champagne and processo are not free. Services Wifi: Yes, Aspire wifi with a code Showers: No Toilets: Yes Quiet zone: Yes according to display, no according to the experience I had Loungers/sleep area: No Business area: No Reserved Area: yes, a table for 6 people Spa: No TV area: Yes, near toilets Passengers are called: No Information screen: Yes Newspapers: No Other information Number of seats: ~100 Level of noise: low Design: common Aspire theme, in purple View: on the airport entrance Multi floors: No Terrace: No Smoking area: No Direct boarding: No |
Originally Posted by Zarmakuizz
(Post 31096379)
Name of the lounge: Aspire Lounge
Not to be mistaken with the Aspire Plus lounge (even though the KLM website advertises that we are are entitled to the Aspire Plus lounge) |
I actually accessed the Aspire Plus Lounge first. The lounge dragon asked for my pass, then for my FB card, finally told me to go to the regular Aspire lounge.
The Aspire Plus lounge might be for Business travelers, while I was in Y, as it seems way smaller. |
Quick question: I am stuck overnight at CDG because of a missed connection. I have chosen to fly in the afternoon instead of the first morning flight. Flight is in 2F but since I have 10h to kill, would it be possible to check the lounge in 2E? Best one is 2E-L right? Thanks! |
Originally Posted by thrwwrtlvsn
(Post 31117967)
Flight is in 2F but since I have 10h to kill, would it be possible to check the lounge in 2E?
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That’s what I thought, thanks Goldorak! |
Originally Posted by Goldorak
(Post 31118582)
No, this is non-Schengen. On a related note, since 2G is also Schengen, would it be possible to go from 2F to 2G (on the orange shuttle) to use the lounge there? Or do they again check boarding passes and prevent access unless you are leaving from those gates? |
Originally Posted by Goldorak
(Post 31082170)
Any news about reopening of IAD lounge ? |
Originally Posted by PeanutYYZ
(Post 31119434)
Does that mean that you'd be turned away trying to get into 2E without a boarding pass departing to a non-Schengen country? Or just that you'd have to go through passport control formalities to leave the Schengen area?
The hardest spot to pass through would be IMO the security checkpoint, as there will be an automatic check of your boarding pass that would trigger a red message and that the security agent would have to overpass... Passport check would be easier especially if you can access through PARAFE. For lounge, I would say it depends on the dragon... |
Originally Posted by Porcepic
(Post 31119994)
I have not experienced this myself, but based on reports I have read this and there I have the feeling that there is no clear rule. It seems to be based on agents' mood and what could work one day at one specific location could not work another day.
The hardest spot to pass through would be IMO the security checkpoint, as there will be an automatic check of your boarding pass that would trigger a red message and that the security agent would have to overpass... Passport check would be easier especially if you can access through PARAFE. For lounge, I would say it depends on the dragon... |
Originally Posted by PeanutYYZ
(Post 31119434)
On a related note, since 2G is also Schengen, would it be possible to go from 2F to 2G (on the orange shuttle) to use the lounge there? Or do they again check boarding passes and prevent access unless you are leaving from those gates?
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Originally Posted by dcaiadflyer
(Post 31119850)
I'm curious about this too! Flying out next Sunday, May 26, and will report back. It was supposed to be finished "Spring 2019" and then "late April 2019" but here in DC we are decidedly into summer weather (the slow construction and constant pushing back of deadlines are no stranger to us). Memorial Day weekend is kind of the beginning of the high season of USA to Europe travel and I'd be surprised if they hadn't pushed it to be finished by then.
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/air-...d-lounges.html I will have also first hand information later this week. |
Originally Posted by PeanutYYZ
(Post 31120031)
At ZRH I've been able to get through this by just saying "I'm going to the lounge", but maybe the French are stricter about this ;) Thanks for the info!
The CDG situation is absurd. Which results in you being allowed to use only the concourse/terminal from which you depart. PS: off-topic, but there is a absurdity in the security setup in Zurich as well, albeit of a different kind. When you arrive on LX from certain countries (UK, USA, Canada, Singapore, I believe also Japan) you disembark straight into the secure airside part of the airport and can go to your connecting flight without passing through security again. If you land from those same countries but on AA, DL, UA, BA, CX etc, you disembark in the "unsafe" arrivals area and will have to go through security to get your connecting flight. This is especially absurd in the case of flights from New York JFK to Zurich: both LX and DL leave from *exactly* the same concourse in JFK, often use neighbouring gates. Passengers for those flights go through *exactly* the same TSA security check points. When arriving in Zurich, passengers off the LX flight ar econsidered "clean", the ones arriving on the DL flight are not. Absurd. Just to show that being pragmatic in one matter does not prevent you from being absurd in another. |
Originally Posted by San Gottardo
(Post 31122792)
The CDG situation is absurd. Which results in you being allowed to use only the concourse/terminal from which you depart.
Both ZRH and CDG or, for that matter, most airports take the latter view: you are in principle only allowed to access airside if you need to be there, that is to say, for passengers, you need to fly from there. The general public cannot, in either ZRH or CDG, go airside merely because they want to. AIUI you could not, for instance, go airside in ZRH anymore than in CDG merely because you want to go to a shop there or see a friend or relative to their departure gate. The difference between CDG and ZRH is that CDG, like a number of other airports such as LHR, applies a stricter version of the same principle by limiting access just to the specific terminal you are departing from rather than the whole of the airside area. It is no more "absurd" to limit passenger access to the airside area of terminals they are departing from than it is to limit airside access to passengers rather than all and sundry, whether or not they fly from the airport or merely visit it. If you accept that airside access should be restricted to passengers, that is to say to persons who need to be there, then it is not especially illogical or absurd to restrict access to the specific part of the airside area they need access to for their flight. Now, you can make an argument that airside access should be more widely open and not limited to passengers but that is a different issue and not a question of "absurdity". |
Originally Posted by dcaiadflyer
(Post 31119850)
I'm curious about this too! Flying out next Sunday, May 26, and will report back. It was supposed to be finished "Spring 2019" and then "late April 2019" but here in DC we are decidedly into summer weather (the slow construction and constant pushing back of deadlines are no stranger to us). Memorial Day weekend is kind of the beginning of the high season of USA to Europe travel and I'd be surprised if they hadn't pushed it to be finished by then.
Originally Posted by Goldorak
(Post 31120589)
There were recent info here :
https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/air-...d-lounges.html I will have also first hand information later this week. @dcaiadflyer : as you will be there soon, please tell us more and if possible, post pictures :) |
more info about renovated IAD lounge
Originally Posted by Goldorak
(Post 31132153)
Based on the report of someone I know who was in this lounge yesterday, it is reopen for the 1st part (the space we knew from the former lounge), but it seems the lower floor is not open yet. I understood that the left part when you enter (the ex-P part) is not anymore the P-reserved part and that there are some tables there now.
@dcaiadflyer : as you will be there soon, please tell us more and if possible, post pictures :) https://blog.flight-report.com/fr/en...ntee-en-gamme/ Les vols au départ de Washington ont une forte proportion de clients fréquents en Première et en Business exigeants en quête d’efficacité qui souhaitent optimiser leur déplacement et arriver à Paris frais et dispos pour leur rendez-vous. Notre nouveau salon offrira 25% de surface en plus avec maintenant 615 M2 repartis sur 2 niveaux et 155 places assises. Comme à New York, le salon proposera le night service pour le vol AF027 de 21h10 qui permet de diner au salon et de profiter au maximum du vol pour se reposer gr ce également au service café croissant express qui séduit de nombreux passagers. On y trouvera également un bar avec une offre d’alcools, spiritueux, bières et vins servis par un barman, une salle à manger du même type qu’au salon 2EL de CDG et un espace VIP dédié à notre clientèle La Première. Le nouvel espace situé à l’étage inférieur offre un superbe ciel lumineux qui change au gré de l’heure et permet de se détendre avant de partir. C’est une belle réalisation qui devrait recevoir un accueil très positif de nos clients et que nous avons h te d’inaugurer. Flights departing from Washington have a high proportion of frequent business class and first class demanding customers looking for efficiency who want to optimize their travel and get to Paris fresh and ready for their appointment. Our new lounge will offer 25% more space with 615 M2 spread over 2 floors and 155 seats. As in New York, the lounge will offer the "night service" for flight AF027 from 21:10 which allows dinner in the lounge to rest during most of the flight There is also a bar with an offer of alcoholic beverages, spirits, beers and wines served by a bartender, a dining room of the same type as the 2EL lounge of CDG and a VIP area dedicated to our La Première customers. The new space on the lower level offers a beautiful, bright sky that changes over time and allows you to relax before departing. This is a beautiful achievement that should receive a very positive response from our customers and that we are eager to inaugurate. |
Originally Posted by Goldorak
(Post 31132153)
Based on the report of someone I know who was in this lounge yesterday, it is reopen for the 1st part (the space we knew from the former lounge), but it seems the lower floor is not open yet. I understood that the left part when you enter (the ex-P part) is not anymore the P-reserved part and that there are some tables there now.
@dcaiadflyer : as you will be there soon, please tell us more and if possible, post pictures :) |
Originally Posted by NickB
(Post 31123465)
It is not really a question of "absurdity" as such but of whether airside areas are zones which, in principle, should be open to the public at large or whether these are restricted zones, access to which should be limited to those who have a need to be there....
What I wanted (and obviously failed to say is): in Zurich any *passenger* flying that day can access any air-side departure part of any concourse of the airport. In Paris passengers on the day of departure can only access the concourse/terminal they are flying from. What I find absurd in Paris are two things: 1) The reason given by staff for why a ticketed passenger cannot enter another terminal/concourse: "for security reasons". To take an example: I want to go to the lounge in 2F, but my flight leaves from 2E. What exactly is it that compromises security if I am in the air-side departure area of 2F even though my flight leaves from 2E? Why does the fact that I am air-side in the terminal from which my flight leaves make me an un-dangerous person, but I suddenly become a dangerous person in a different terminal only because my flight does not leave from there? Shouldn't the criteria for whether or not someone is dangerous be whether or not that person passes the security controls successfully, rather than whether or not his/her flight leaves from that terminal? 2) Immigration officers refusing entry into the air-side when the boarding pass doesn't show a departure from that concourse/terminal. Since when is final destination a criteria for whether or not someone is allowed to leave the country? What matters is someone has travel documents that are in order and allow passing the border, but not where that person goes after having passed the border. So basically, by refusing people who leave from another terminal the immigration officers are not applying immigration rules but some other rules. That becomes absurd when you then realise that the rule of not being able to pass immigration with a boarding pass from another terminal is only applied to passengers who pass by a manned counter. Those using PARAFE biometric gates with the right travel documents are allowed to pass the border without their boarding pass and final destination being checked. There shouldn't be different criteria for passing the border depending on whether you pass by a manned agent or whether you use PARAFE. The Zurich absurdity really is absurd: why are people that go through one and the same security filter in JFK and board their flight at one and the same concourse at JFK Terminal 4 treated as "clean arrivals" when they arrive on board an LX plane but as "unclean arrivals" when they arrive on board a DL plane? Shouldn't security procedures in the departing airport be the criteria for whether or not an arrival is "clean", rather than which airline is being used? |
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I have an award business class ticket on AF011 from JFK to Paris. I know I can't have a lounge guest free of charge, but can I pay for a guest?
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