"Somewhat scary one near Winnipeg" - The AC Master Incidents Thread
Feb 27, 2019, 8:42 am
#3916
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I guess for the short term the best way to get to India is via the ME3 carriers since they do not have to pass thru PAK airspace. Or via Asia.
They likely will plan an alternate route quickly - like they had to do during the Iran-Iraq war, etc. Wonder if some of the long haul flights have enough fuel to follow a possibly longer alternate route.
They likely will plan an alternate route quickly - like they had to do during the Iran-Iraq war, etc. Wonder if some of the long haul flights have enough fuel to follow a possibly longer alternate route.
Feb 27, 2019, 8:54 am
#3917
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I guess for the short term the best way to get to India is via the ME3 carriers since they do not have to pass thru PAK airspace. Or via Asia.
They likely will plan an alternate route quickly - like they had to do during the Iran-Iraq war, etc. Wonder if some of the long haul flights have enough fuel to follow a possibly longer alternate route.
They likely will plan an alternate route quickly - like they had to do during the Iran-Iraq war, etc. Wonder if some of the long haul flights have enough fuel to follow a possibly longer alternate route.
Esp DEL. Much blustering but exhortations for calm. Both nuclear equipped.
If it settles down today likely airspace will reopen quickly.
Feb 27, 2019, 9:43 am
#3919
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Feb 27, 2019, 9:47 am
#3920
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Having been involved in In-Flight diversions often winding up in places that have limited resources, staff, clearance facilities, etc. this is infinitely the best option under very difficult circumstances.
Feb 27, 2019, 10:39 am
#3921
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I seem to remember AC flying over Crimea a lot longer than anyone else(??). If so, it wasn't closed airspace, just a bad idea.
Not a lot of places closer into Pakistan that one would want to be forced to land at.
Not a lot of places closer into Pakistan that one would want to be forced to land at.
Feb 27, 2019, 10:42 am
#3922
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Fair comment, and am in no way questioning the decision to return to Toronto, but I fail to understand how any of the likely European diversion airports might be considered limited in any of the stated resources/infrastructure, nor how this was a particularly difficult circumstance.
Feb 27, 2019, 10:50 am
#3923
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Fair comment, and am in no way questioning the decision to return to Toronto, but I fail to understand how any of the likely European diversion airports might be considered limited in any of the stated resources/infrastructure, nor how this was a particularly difficult circumstance.
What is the point is going elsewhere if they'll need to bring both plane and passengers back to Canada anyway?
Feb 27, 2019, 10:55 am
#3924
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As I said, I'm not disputing the decision to return to Toronto. It makes sense for a bunch of different reasons. I was questioning ACYYZ/SD's rationale re: en route diversion airports - the reasons he/she listed don't seem to apply in this case.
Last edited by CZAMFlyer; Feb 27, 2019 at 10:58 am Reason: Reworded for clarity
Feb 27, 2019, 11:00 am
#3925
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Even busy AC stations in Europe might well not have resources to make the experience comfortable. An extra aircraft is going to be a burden to the gate or two worth of crew AC has on station... especially if they land in some window when the crew are all at home.
Feb 27, 2019, 11:05 am
#3926
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At the end of the day, if those people are all already on a plane (and they were) and that plane has enough fuel to get back to the origin (and it did), it's hard to imagine a better option.
Feb 27, 2019, 11:07 am
#3927
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Fair comment, and am in no way questioning the decision to return to Toronto, but I fail to understand how any of the likely European diversion airports might be considered limited in any of the stated resources/infrastructure, nor how this was a particularly difficult circumstance.
Feb 27, 2019, 11:26 am
#3928
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Feb 27, 2019, 11:41 am
#3929
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Fair comment, and am in no way questioning the decision to return to Toronto, but I fail to understand how any of the likely European diversion airports might be considered limited in any of the stated resources/infrastructure, nor how this was a particularly difficult circumstance.
There are no offshore stand-by Crews in the event of a timeout, limited contract staff at various airports, and in the end probably easier for a portion of the Customers to return to the their home base (YYZ) rather than to sit in a hotel or await alternative arrangements until the current political situation is sorted out. Just my opinion based on past experience. Dropping in unexpectedly also carries with it a multitude of visa and documentation issues.
Feb 27, 2019, 11:57 am
#3930
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Appreciate the point about standby flight crews. I was thinking there's lots of AC ground staff at the busier destinations in Europe, particularly given the time of day the plane did its turnaround.