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"Somewhat scary one near Winnipeg" - The AC Master Incidents Thread

Old Nov 15, 2023, 5:41 pm
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Originally Posted by EQ Planes

Looks like C-FITLs days are numbered So much for bringing it back from retirement lol
I donít know if thatís fixable
https://www.facebook.com/share/opd2o...ibextid=THRl3R


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Old Nov 15, 2023, 9:04 pm
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Originally Posted by eigenvector
Yikes to that 777 landing. I'm glad no injuries were reported and kudos to the flight crew for bringing it to an uneventful conclusion. I'm sure the passengers will remember that landing for a while.
Made the news with commentary from one passenger.

https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/2283552323796
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Old Nov 15, 2023, 10:17 pm
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Originally Posted by tracon
Made the news with commentary from one passenger.

https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/2283552323796
Love how the guy just rolls with it. So to speak.
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Old Nov 15, 2023, 11:32 pm
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Originally Posted by Bohemian1
Love how the guy just rolls with it. So to speak.
"Can't wait to do it again next month..."
Maybe he's chasing or maintaining status before the year ends. 🤣
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Old Nov 15, 2023, 11:58 pm
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This is one of those situations where I'm surprised they don't have a mid-level autopilot.

They're supposed to hand-fly the landings, fine, that makes sense.

My fourth year design project at UW was a "training" autopilot for R/C aircraft. The idea was that it would take over if the aircraft got into a bad state. 2 degree bank at 20 feet? Meh. 20 degree bank? It's taking over the ailerons and levelling the wings. Computers react faster than people, and I'm often surprised at just how much control an aircraft (with full auto-land capabilities) will give to the pilot.
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Old Nov 16, 2023, 6:15 am
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Originally Posted by canadiancow
This is one of those situations where I'm surprised they don't have a mid-level autopilot.

They're supposed to hand-fly the landings, fine, that makes sense.

My fourth year design project at UW was a "training" autopilot for R/C aircraft. The idea was that it would take over if the aircraft got into a bad state. 2 degree bank at 20 feet? Meh. 20 degree bank? It's taking over the ailerons and levelling the wings. Computers react faster than people, and I'm often surprised at just how much control an aircraft (with full auto-land capabilities) will give to the pilot.
Boeing doesn't exactly have a great reputation of developing computers that override people when the aircraft gets into a bad state.
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Old Nov 16, 2023, 6:25 am
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Originally Posted by canadiancow
My fourth year design project at UW
{sprays coffee} way to trigger suppressed trauma!

Originally Posted by canadiancow
was a "training" autopilot for R/C aircraft. The idea was that it would take over if the aircraft got into a bad state. 2 degree bank at 20 feet? Meh. 20 degree bank? It's taking over the ailerons and levelling the wings. Computers react faster than people, and I'm often surprised at just how much control an aircraft (with full auto-land capabilities) will give to the pilot.
Interesting, as long as there's sufficient mitigation for faulty sensor readings and the like. If overriding controls at 35000 feet is already fraught, doing it at 20 feet, you better be sure.
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Old Nov 16, 2023, 8:39 am
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Originally Posted by tracon
Made the news with commentary from one passenger.

https://www.cbc.ca/player/play/2283552323796
Love the gentleman's attitude.
So refreshing to hear commentary devoid of drama (I thought we were going to die, so scary, OMG, etc).
Kudo's to the crew.
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Old Nov 16, 2023, 2:07 pm
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Originally Posted by canadiancow
This is one of those situations where I'm surprised they don't have a mid-level autopilot.

They're supposed to hand-fly the landings, fine, that makes sense.
In this case it could've been that they were legally required to hand fly the landing. Some airplanes have crosswind speed limitations and some have a published "demonstrated crosswind speed," which are advisories, but not limitations. But, AFAIK, all autoland systems have crosswind limitations, and they're quite conservative.

and I'm often surprised at just how much control an aircraft (with full auto-land capabilities) will give to the pilot
I suspect that, otherwise, the system would never be certified.
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Old Nov 19, 2023, 12:04 pm
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Originally Posted by taupo
So how do they get that unstuck?
Can't throw a chain around the gear and drag it out, would cause damage.
Can't power it out.
Crane/jacks and block it underneath?
Tug on the nose gear as normal and drag it?

How many beers did the PF have to buy the rest of the crew?
Some more shots and video I came across:

https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMjKbdWbe/
https://vm.tiktok.com/ZMjKbF5NF/
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Old Nov 21, 2023, 9:28 am
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AC235 depressurized this morning over the Okanagan.
Declared an emergency.
Squawk 7700. Landed YVR.

https://www.flightaware.com/live/fli.../CYVR/tracklog
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/a...-gbia#32eaddf1
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Old Nov 21, 2023, 9:58 am
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Originally Posted by tracon
AC235 depressurized this morning over the Okanagan.
Declared an emergency.
Squawk 7700. Landed YVR.

https://www.flightaware.com/live/fli.../CYVR/tracklog
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/a...-gbia#32eaddf1
Glad it wasn't my old friend C-FYJI (258).
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Old Nov 21, 2023, 10:09 am
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Flying just a few thousand feet over Mount Clarke and the other peaks of the Pacific Ranges. Wow. I'm sure it was scary for everyone on board, but maaaan, that scenery would've been nice.
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Old Nov 23, 2023, 2:47 pm
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Just had my first aborted takeoff on AC646 today. Pilot handled it well. Said it was a common issue with the A223.
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Old Nov 23, 2023, 3:02 pm
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Originally Posted by warrens
Flying just a few thousand feet over Mount Clarke and the other peaks of the Pacific Ranges. Wow. I'm sure it was scary for everyone on board, but maaaan, that scenery would've been nice.
Low flyby over mountains is quite common for certain approaches at certain airports, such as arriving YVR from the northwest. It does look scary sometime because I find it hard to gauge the distance and the height of the mountains and they appear very close sometime, especially in foggy weather as a mountain may suddenly appear at a pretty close distance.
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