Crew dragged AC co-pilot off jet at Shannon after mid-air scare
Jan 31, 2008, 1:51 pm
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in may of 07 his wife and one of his sons were killed in an automobile accident. If that wasn't enough, he lost some major personal stock investments to a major fraud here in town literally couple of weeks after the tragic accident. then our business took a major dive in mid july (although it has recovered since). His other son was acting up, drugs, alcohol and such.
Jan 31, 2008, 4:55 pm
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http://www.streetinsider.com/Press+R...8/3302782.html
TORONTO, ONTARIO--(Marketwire - Jan. 29, 2008) - The Air Canada Pilots Association commends the crew of Flight 848 for its effective handling of the illness of a crew member and safely diverting the aircraft to Shannon, Ireland.
"Although the illness of flight crew is rare, pilots are fully trained for such an event," said Capt. Andy Wilson, president of the Air Canada Pilots Association. "The safe diversion was the result of the pilot following standard operating procedures in the professional manner that is expected of Air Canada pilots."
Air Canada Flight 848 was on its way from Toronto to London Heathrow when the First Officer on the flight fell ill.
"Our member was taken to hospital, where he is being treated," says Wilson. "ACPA has sent a fellow pilot to assist in whatever way is required."
ACPA is the largest professional pilot group in Canada, representing the 3,300 pilots who operate Air Canada's mainline fleet.
TORONTO, ONTARIO--(Marketwire - Jan. 29, 2008) - The Air Canada Pilots Association commends the crew of Flight 848 for its effective handling of the illness of a crew member and safely diverting the aircraft to Shannon, Ireland.
"Although the illness of flight crew is rare, pilots are fully trained for such an event," said Capt. Andy Wilson, president of the Air Canada Pilots Association. "The safe diversion was the result of the pilot following standard operating procedures in the professional manner that is expected of Air Canada pilots."
Air Canada Flight 848 was on its way from Toronto to London Heathrow when the First Officer on the flight fell ill.
"Our member was taken to hospital, where he is being treated," says Wilson. "ACPA has sent a fellow pilot to assist in whatever way is required."
ACPA is the largest professional pilot group in Canada, representing the 3,300 pilots who operate Air Canada's mainline fleet.
Jan 31, 2008, 6:04 pm
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Two thoughts:
I wonder if the "off duty member of the Canadian Armed Forces" would be known as a Federal Air Marshal in the States?
And, it raises the question, with all the hardening and procedures to keep people OUT of the flight deck, are there means and procedures for getting into it if such an incident happened while a crew member is in the left or right seat?
Both are probably imponderable. And the chances of the latter scenario are .....what? (I know -- less than a hijacking. Hence, why the scale tips for having pistols in the cockpit.)
I wonder if the "off duty member of the Canadian Armed Forces" would be known as a Federal Air Marshal in the States?
And, it raises the question, with all the hardening and procedures to keep people OUT of the flight deck, are there means and procedures for getting into it if such an incident happened while a crew member is in the left or right seat?
Both are probably imponderable. And the chances of the latter scenario are .....what? (I know -- less than a hijacking. Hence, why the scale tips for having pistols in the cockpit.)
Jan 31, 2008, 6:49 pm
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An off-duty member of the Canadian Forces is not an Air Marshal. For flights into DCA, where the US requires police presence, the on-board security is fulfilled by a non-uniformed member of the RCMP, the federal civilian police. Neither in the US nor in Canada do military officers patrol within civilian aircraft.
Jan 31, 2008, 7:02 pm
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first, most people don't go talking about how they got ripped off or how their kids are going off the deep end.
second, pilots and fas are in a very unique work environment. the pilots don't fly as a permanent pair. they fly with different partners all the time. sure they run into each other over time but unless they live in the same town and are friends, they have separate personal lives, not condusive to actually knowing what's going on in their co-pilots everyday lives.
third, even if somebody witnessed a slight change, most would assume it's his grief period over the lost of his love ones and that's what happen with me and i even knew about the other stuff yet i gave him some more room. it never dawn on me that he would have a nervous breakdown, and i spend a great deal of time with him on a regular basis, professional and personal.
Feb 1, 2008, 2:45 am
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I was on that flight and it mostly happened as described in the article. It was quite an experience! He was being restrained in 12A and the entire mini-cabin could here the whole thing. Not for delicate ears. The soldier and the doctors (who were passengers) were great.
Quick correction, though... There were no hotels. We were given 15E vouchers for sandwiches at lunch and then just waited around hoping for information. They ended up flying a 767 to deliver a new crew - I don't know how they are going to get that back
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I was so delayed and exhausted that I ended up staying at a hotel in Manchester instead of making it all the way home. At least I got some HHonors points out of it.
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Quick correction, though... There were no hotels. We were given 15E vouchers for sandwiches at lunch and then just waited around hoping for information. They ended up flying a 767 to deliver a new crew - I don't know how they are going to get that back
.I was so delayed and exhausted that I ended up staying at a hotel in Manchester instead of making it all the way home. At least I got some HHonors points out of it
.Dr. PITUK
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Feb 2, 2008, 5:11 am
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I was on that flight and it mostly happened as described in the article. It was quite an experience! He was being restrained in 12A and the entire mini-cabin could here the whole thing. Not for delicate ears. The soldier and the doctors (who were passengers) were great.
Quote from the article:
"Er wurde an Sitz 12A gefesselt. Die gesamte Crew konnte mithören. Das war nichts für schwache Nerven", schrieb ein Passagier auf der Website www.flyertalk.com. "Ein kanadischer Soldat und einige Ärzte (alle Passagiere) verhielten sich großartig."
Feb 2, 2008, 6:47 pm
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i would say just the opposite.
first, most people don't go talking about how they got ripped off or how their kids are going off the deep end.
second, pilots and fas are in a very unique work environment. the pilots don't fly as a permanent pair. they fly with different partners all the time. sure they run into each other over time but unless they live in the same town and are friends, they have separate personal lives, not condusive to actually knowing what's going on in their co-pilots everyday lives.
third, even if somebody witnessed a slight change, most would assume it's his grief period over the lost of his love ones and that's what happen with me and i even knew about the other stuff yet i gave him some more room. it never dawn on me that he would have a nervous breakdown, and i spend a great deal of time with him on a regular basis, professional and personal.
first, most people don't go talking about how they got ripped off or how their kids are going off the deep end.
second, pilots and fas are in a very unique work environment. the pilots don't fly as a permanent pair. they fly with different partners all the time. sure they run into each other over time but unless they live in the same town and are friends, they have separate personal lives, not condusive to actually knowing what's going on in their co-pilots everyday lives.
third, even if somebody witnessed a slight change, most would assume it's his grief period over the lost of his love ones and that's what happen with me and i even knew about the other stuff yet i gave him some more room. it never dawn on me that he would have a nervous breakdown, and i spend a great deal of time with him on a regular basis, professional and personal.
I know another airline pilot (not AC) who has had somewhat similar tragic problems, and really shouldn't be flying either. His private life is a shambles, he's under massive personal stress, his behaviour has become increasingly irrational, and he's even talked about his 'premonition' of crashing sometime next year. But he passed his last medical check with flying colours, which apparently didn't have any psychological assessment with it. As long as his eyes and hearing are good, I guess the airline doesn't care if he's bonkers.
I don't work with him, so it's only a guess, but I suspect the only time he feels like he has any peace or control over his life is when he's in the cockpit. His co-workers might not be noticing much. But once he's on the ground, he's not coping well, he's pretty tightly wrapped and it's obvious he's deeply troubled to a few around him close enough to see it.
And there's not a damned thing anyone can do about it, certainly no one outside the airline industry. Very few pilots ever seek help for fear of being grounded. In a perverse way, I'm glad this poor first officer has flipped out so spectacularly. Maybe now the airline industry will make some overdue changes to their health checks and include psychological testing as well as mandatory counselling for at-risk pilots. Believe me, I know for a stone cold fact there are more like this guy out there, just waiting to happen.
While you and I are in the plane he's flying.
Feb 2, 2008, 6:53 pm
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Interesting. I'm a physician, and it is common knowledge (supported by research) that a drug-abusing physician loses control of his social and family life before his work life. The people at work are the *last* to ever know there's a problem. Sounds like the pilot you're talking about.... 
Feb 3, 2008, 1:48 pm
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Pilot Association Commends Crew of Air Canada Flight 848
The Air Canada Pilots Association commends the crew of Flight 848 for its effective handling of the illness of a crew member and safely diverting the aircraft to Shannon, Ireland.
"Although the illness of flight crew is rare, pilots are fully trained for such an event," said Capt. Andy Wilson, president of the Air Canada Pilots Association. "The safe diversion was the result of the pilot following standard operating procedures in the professional manner that is expected of Air Canada pilots."
Air Canada Flight 848 was on its way from Toronto to London Heathrow when the First Officer on the flight fell ill.
"Our member was taken to hospital, where he is being treated," says Wilson. "ACPA has sent a fellow pilot to assist in whatever way is required."
ACPA is the largest professional pilot group in Canada, representing the 3,300 pilots who operate Air Canada's mainline fleet.
Link: http://www.pr-usa.net/index.php?opti...64129&Itemid=9
"Although the illness of flight crew is rare, pilots are fully trained for such an event," said Capt. Andy Wilson, president of the Air Canada Pilots Association. "The safe diversion was the result of the pilot following standard operating procedures in the professional manner that is expected of Air Canada pilots."
Air Canada Flight 848 was on its way from Toronto to London Heathrow when the First Officer on the flight fell ill.
"Our member was taken to hospital, where he is being treated," says Wilson. "ACPA has sent a fellow pilot to assist in whatever way is required."
ACPA is the largest professional pilot group in Canada, representing the 3,300 pilots who operate Air Canada's mainline fleet.
Link: http://www.pr-usa.net/index.php?opti...64129&Itemid=9
Feb 25, 2008, 8:23 am
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