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pitz Jan 24, 2008 1:31 am

What's the 'usual' problem with the E90? Last night (the 22nd), it was 'error messages' when the #2 engine was started, requiring a return to the gate on a YVR-YYC flight (AC #222) for a complete reset (and a bunch of dry motoring of the engines). Also, mysteriously, it was the only aircraft around that required a de-ice cycle due to frost forming (in +4C YVR weather) on the wing, when all the other airplanes didn't require it.

Are these similar to other experiences people have had when aboard this airplane?

briantoronto Jan 24, 2008 4:16 am


Originally Posted by pitz (Post 9125387)
What's the 'usual' problem with the E90? Last night (the 22nd), it was 'error messages' when the #2 engine was started, requiring a return to the gate on a YVR-YYC flight (AC #222) for a complete reset (and a bunch of dry motoring of the engines). Also, mysteriously, it was the only aircraft around that required a de-ice cycle due to frost forming (in +4C YVR weather) on the wing, when all the other airplanes didn't require it.

Are these similar to other experiences people have had when aboard this airplane?

I have had that issue twice with and E90 - problem during engine start, with a total airplane reboot. Kills your morning.

-Brian

AnselmAdorne Jan 24, 2008 5:33 am


Originally Posted by pitz (Post 9125387)
... a complete reset ... Are these similar to other experiences people have had when aboard this airplane?

See posts 14 and 15, above. Seems to happen from time to time.

zedhead Jan 24, 2008 6:10 pm


Originally Posted by pitz (Post 9125387)
Also, mysteriously, it was the only aircraft around that required a de-ice cycle due to frost forming (in +4C YVR weather) on the wing, when all the other airplanes didn't require it.

Are these similar to other experiences people have had when aboard this airplane?

Perhaps clear ice formed on wings due to supercooled fuel and ambient temperature?

http://www.ntsb.gov/PressRel/2004/041229.htm

pitz Jan 24, 2008 8:10 pm


Originally Posted by zedhead (Post 9129751)
Perhaps clear ice formed on wings due to supercooled fuel and ambient temperature?

http://www.ntsb.gov/PressRel/2004/041229.htm


It was just a light layer of frost. Had to be removed, of course -- but the various 737s that come and went at the adjacent gates didn't require the same. Might there be a difference in the design that causes the 737 wing to not form frost, when the E90 has frost? The Embraers obviously are not as refined for operation in the cold weather as has been pointed out elsewhere. (yes, I do understand that certain airplanes require deicing even in the heat of summer due to the supercooled fuel issue).

kpalle Jan 24, 2008 8:34 pm

I think the E90/75 are fantastic additions to the fleet.

AC does as well as flights on my routes with these aircraft are priced at a premium....it's obvious that other flyers feel the same.

For me, there is nothing worse than being stuck in a middle seat on a 319 with no AVOD. The E90 is the perfect antidote to that.

Stranger Jan 24, 2008 10:50 pm


Originally Posted by kpalle (Post 9130422)
I think the E9

For me, there is nothing worse than being stuck in a middle seat on a 319 with no AVOD. The E90 is the perfect antidote to that.

Sure, in Y it seems it's nicer. In J I don't think it makes a big difference overall.

Plus, most people probably don't notice reliability issues. They don't see the relationship between flight being canceled and aircraft type reliability. An aspect in which the EMB is quickly getting a reputation.

greenlotus Jan 25, 2008 4:24 am

The roominess in Y is fantastic in the Embraers! Also it's nice not hitting your head on the roof's as you do in the CRJ's (for those over 6ft).

Cold meal is no issue for me.

I always try to fly one of these when given a choice over the CRJ's or A319/20/21!

zedhead Jan 25, 2008 4:45 pm


Originally Posted by pitz (Post 9130324)
It was just a light layer of frost. Had to be removed, of course -- but the various 737s that come and went at the adjacent gates didn't require the same. Might there be a difference in the design that causes the 737 wing to not form frost, when the E90 has frost? The Embraers obviously are not as refined for operation in the cold weather as has been pointed out elsewhere. (yes, I do understand that certain airplanes require deicing even in the heat of summer due to the supercooled fuel issue).

I'm not sure it's down to design (DC-9 excepted ;)) but is down to atmospheric conditions encountered by inbound aircraft.

Rejuvenated Jan 26, 2008 3:37 pm


Originally Posted by greenlotus (Post 9131694)
Also it's nice not hitting your head on the roof's as you do in the CRJ's (for those over 6ft).

Couldn't remember if it was a CRJ or not, but several years ago, I recalled striking my head on the ceiling at least 3x on UA's LAX-PHX shuttle. Definately not fun.

canuk Feb 8, 2009 8:14 am

As told to me by an AC EMB 90 Pilot
 
Every
Mechanical
Breakdown
Requires
An
Electronic
Reset

why fly Feb 8, 2009 8:41 am

AC has got most of the "cold" start issues fixed on the EB fleet now if they could only fix the heating system on the plane.. I guess the plane was never designed to fly so far as AC is pusing the little junkers and there is NO FU*KING heat in J cabin and the Y cabin is boiling on a long haul flight!

on the YYZ-SEA flights they close the curtain to the galley put boxes there to help keep out the cold open the curtain to the Y area and issue us all with blankets.. i always ask for two. The crew cant turn up the heat much more as its BOILING in the back of Y.
Intersting this only seems to be a problem on the longer haul flights as withing a few days I did Sarasota and Seattle the same week and the Sarasota E90 was ok but Seattle was horrible?

On the SEA flight going to the front washrooms near the end of the flight ice was forming on the floors of the galley... amazing.. perhaps Brazilians didnt know the planes would be flown in a winter:eek: or someone would fly the little planes for 5 hrs

cur Feb 8, 2009 9:25 pm


Originally Posted by yycworldtraveler (Post 9044448)
With no chance of a middle seat and AVOD on every plane I look for the Embraer as my first choice when booking flights. My favourite AC plane for CAN/US travel.^

That's moot as every single narrow body (except the RJ100/200) has had AVOD since June of last year or somethin'

Tifosi Feb 9, 2009 11:44 am

This is all hearsay, but a coworker's husband is an AC mechanic based in YYC. Apparently the mechanics dislike working on the Embraers and aren't convinced of their reliability. He's told here that he doesn't want her taking a flight on an Embraer.

I'm sure that's just his own bias born out of the frustration of having to learn how to work on an entirely different aircraft than he's used to. I've had good experiences with the Embraers.


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