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Originally Posted by Altaflyer
(Post 7013883)
Well AC does not, I presume just allow such people in for free but charges Amex. I also would expect Amex to require card numbers from ac and if so then you may be opening yourself to a question from them later on.
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Originally Posted by DanJ
(Post 7011672)
How does the MLL attendant know the AMEX card is cancelled?
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Originally Posted by Flyingmama
(Post 7013942)
I've never used an AC lounge, but when I fly Delta, the Crown Club attendants swipe the AMEX card, which I presume tells them whether it is valid or not. AC doesn't do that?
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Originally Posted by airbus320
(Post 7014055)
In YWG, they enter the information on a sheet of paper; what is written, I have no idea.
I assume the idea behind it is to track who uses the lounge and who to bill when the need arises. |
Originally Posted by taupo
(Post 7014191)
The other MLL's have computers for recording the lounge entrants creds'. The agent will touch the appropriate part of the screen. Try sneeking a peak at the screen next time you're in a MLL city with a computer:p , the screen shows all different types of cards, MLL, SE, E, etc.
I assume the idea behind it is to track who uses the lounge and who to bill when the need arises. |
First off, t's not Morals, it's Ethics... (Certainly a lawyer should understand the difference.) True, stealing a service you've not paid for is immoral, but knowningly attempting to use a card that is no longer valid (for entry) is fraud. Undertaking an act of fraud is a matter of ethical behavior. (We would then know you were a morally reprehensible character...)
As for the ethics of financial institutions alluded to by Dan J, they do rebate the value of the unpaid term on the card, so if the card was cancelled in the mid-period, by them or the OP, a refund would have been paid by AmEx. As noted, AmEX cards like most others are issued for several years so the act you were commiting was fraud. Which the last time I looked, was illegal. But it's your conscience. BTW: 1. Under the terms of credit/charge cards, when one is cancelled, the cardhold agreed to destroy and not make further use of the card. Sot that's two breaches of contract, ethics...proving once more you'd be an immoral person. 2. What a change in tone between those posting on a Saturday night, and those posting on a Sunday morning. Seems there are more ethical souls on the Lord's morning... |
I've got my Amex card swiped at YYZ lounge last year, what else for than verify it was still valid?
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Originally Posted by patty canuck
(Post 7011816)
So has anyone here signed up for an AMEX-MLL or CIBC Aerogold-MLL card, then cancelled once the card has been received and ultimately gone into the MLL?
Would you receive back any of your sign-on fee to these cards? (Don't know myself as I use my status to get in) From my new CIBC MLL card, it sounds like you have to return everything to them in order to receive a refund: "What if I want to cancel my membership? The Club Privileges Travel program comes with a 30-day money-back guarantee provided you have not participated in any of the benefits associated with the program. Please call Trent Health at 1-888-737-2665 to cancel. You must return the welcome package to Trent Health (see address below) within 5 business days of notifying us of your decision to cancel. Upon receipt of the package, a refund of $189 will be posted to your CIBC Aerogold VISA account. Attention: Administration Department Trent Health Insurance Services Corp. 1200-438 University Avenue Toronto, Ontario M5G 2K8 " As I mentioned my CIBC MLL card *does not* have a metallic strip on it, only my name. So unless they write down my name/AP # upon each visit, I don't know how they track usage. |
Looked closely at the computer entry at YEG lounge today. It is a touch screen that just talleys the type of membership used to gain entry.
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Since I will be cancelling my AP Plat AMEX next month, I though of this very scenario several months ago, and was going to pose this exact question, but decided just to quietly enter the lounge, drink the cheap Merlot, eat the soup, take the free newspapers, and enjoy the comfy chairs until my card expiry date August of 2008!
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Originally Posted by Salisbury5
(Post 7011236)
Here's the setting.
You are at YYZ. You have had a long day. You arrive 90 mins early for your domestic flight home. You are not SE. You are not E. You are not P. Heck, your monthly ESSO fillups (and Tropicana orange juice purchases) generate more AP mileage than your actual flying. The lounge beckons. Inside your wallet is a cancelled (but not expired) AMEX Platinum card, which when it was not cancelled provided access to the MLL. Do you buy yourself a magazine and sit at the crowded gate area - or give into the dark side? |
Originally Posted by Machdiamond
(Post 7016295)
I've got my Amex card swiped at YYZ lounge last year, what else for than verify it was still valid?
I would also doubt that the MLL is provided with a list of valid AMEX card numbers (for obvious security / fraud concerns). |
Can't they have a try at a $0 charge?
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They could do a pre-authorization for one cent. Its just a pre-auth, it would never get processed. But, the time spent might be time wasted - especially at YYZ where the lounge reception is so busy.
I don't use my Amex for MLL anymore since I made E status, but I was planning on cancelling the card in April when my $500 fee is due. |
At YYZ, they actually swipe the card to see if it is still active (i.e., put a test charge on it)...
YYC and YOW they didn't |
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