Lounge for US-bound flights from YOW?
Sep 10, 2006, 7:09 pm
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Originally Posted by Shareholder
You're right there has been a thread on this subject in the recent past and the answer remains unchanged: there is no lounge because there is not enough flight activity to justify the costs of one. YOW is a minor centre for transborder operations and there are about a dozen STAR flights a day to US cities, virtually all on one-class CRJs. So pray tell, why should there be a STAR lounge?
Sep 10, 2006, 7:35 pm
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Originally Posted by auerbal
Nothing. Nada. Disappeared with the advent of pre clearance. Be glad they let you into the USA, if they actually do.
You could easily have called Air Canada to ask this question who would have told you the same thing. Try that for your next question.
You could easily have called Air Canada to ask this question who would have told you the same thing. Try that for your next question.
This is a discussion forum, seems like a good place to ask this question.
Sep 11, 2006, 6:01 am
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Originally Posted by Doc Fraud
Yes you can use the MLL in the old terminal if you are flying to the US, but remember its a bit of a hike because you still have to schlepp back to pre-clear in the new terminal. Its worth the effort if you've got a couple of hours to kill but otherwise there are enough nooks and crannies and Wifi in the new terminal to make an hour or so quite bearable.
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Sep 11, 2006, 10:12 am
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You only have the authorisation to be in the part of the terminal where your flight leaves. There is no "crossing" between domestic/international and transborder parts of the terminal.
Sep 11, 2006, 10:14 am
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Originally Posted by FlyerGoldII
I believe there is enough traffic for a contract lounge (perhaps run by AC as a MLL/Star Alliance Gold lounge, with other airlines signing an agreement with AC to let their customers in) - in terms of "elite" or "lounge" members (realizing that there is minimal business class transborder traffic from YOW).
Sep 11, 2006, 11:52 am
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Originally Posted by YOWkid
You only have the authorisation to be in the part of the terminal where your flight leaves. There is no "crossing" between domestic/international and transborder parts of the terminal.
Seriously I'm based in YYZ so my transborder out of YOW is pretty rare, in fact only once since the new terminal opened to give you an idea of how rare. But on that one time, getting in was a non-issue.Also I have colleagues based in YOW that participate in con-calls from the lounge all the time as they wait for transborder flights.
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Sep 11, 2006, 12:21 pm
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Originally Posted by Shareholder
You're right there has been a thread on this subject in the recent past and the answer remains unchanged: there is no lounge because there is not enough flight activity to justify the costs of one. YOW is a minor centre for transborder operations and there are about a dozen STAR flights a day to US cities, virtually all on one-class CRJs. So pray tell, why should there be a STAR lounge?
Sep 11, 2006, 4:43 pm
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Originally Posted by Doc Fraud
Oops. Please don't tell anybody. Seriously I'm based in YYZ so my transborder out of YOW is pretty rare, in fact only once since the new terminal opened to give you an idea of how rare. But on that one time, getting in was a non-issue.
Also I have colleagues based in YOW that participate in con-calls from the lounge all the time as they wait for transborder flights.
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Seriously I'm based in YYZ so my transborder out of YOW is pretty rare, in fact only once since the new terminal opened to give you an idea of how rare. But on that one time, getting in was a non-issue.Also I have colleagues based in YOW that participate in con-calls from the lounge all the time as they wait for transborder flights.
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Perhaps when your colleagues say they are in the lounge, maybe they really mean a bench close to their gate, or the little bar that is next to the US gates :-)
Not only is the MLL in the domestic part of the terminal, but it is in the old building, so it really is quite a trek between the MLL and US pre-clearance. I often skip going there on domestic / LHR departures because its out of the way. I'll only bother if I have > 30 mins to kill, or am in a bad way drink wise :-)
Sep 11, 2006, 7:37 pm
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Originally Posted by ogmios
Perhaps when your colleagues say they are in the lounge, maybe they really mean a bench close to their gate, or the little bar that is next to the US gates :-)
Not only is the MLL in the domestic part of the terminal, but it is in the old building, so it really is quite a trek between the MLL and US pre-clearance. I often skip going there on domestic / LHR departures because its out of the way. I'll only bother if I have > 30 mins to kill, or am in a bad way drink wise :-)
Not only is the MLL in the domestic part of the terminal, but it is in the old building, so it really is quite a trek between the MLL and US pre-clearance. I often skip going there on domestic / LHR departures because its out of the way. I'll only bother if I have > 30 mins to kill, or am in a bad way drink wise :-)
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Sep 11, 2006, 8:47 pm
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Originally Posted by FlyerGoldII
I believe there is enough traffic for a contract lounge (perhaps run by AC as a MLL/Star Alliance Gold lounge, with other airlines signing an agreement with AC to let their customers in) - in terms of "elite" or "lounge" members (realizing that there is minimal business class transborder traffic from YOW).
Jeez, I'm glad you never have to run your own business and meet a bottom line...there just isn't enough traffic to justify establishing a lounge of any sort airside. If there was, the company operating the new WS lounge would open one in the transborder area. Even adding DL and CO would only bring it up to maybe 20 flights a day. 20x60 = 1200 passengers with maybe 10% elites (remember US elites don't get lounge access from their FF programs) for 120 visitors maximum, spread across an 18 hour day averages less than 10 visitors an hour!
Of course, you could always open a lounge yourself...
Sep 11, 2006, 8:54 pm
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Originally Posted by wali
One reason is that YOW is Our nations Capital.
Sep 11, 2006, 9:51 pm
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Well, if AC and all the other carriers had more transborder flights ex-YOW, and more of these flights with J class, then the story may change with the AA putting up a community lounge...
Sep 12, 2006, 5:37 am
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Originally Posted by Doc Fraud
Trust me we all spend enough time on the road to know the difference.
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No doubt...I just can't imagine going all the way to the lounge when travelling to the US. Quite a pain.
Sep 12, 2006, 6:12 am
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Originally Posted by ogmios
No doubt...I just can't imagine going all the way to the lounge when travelling to the US. Quite a pain.
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