OT: Canjet Quits Scheduled Service Sept 10, 2006
#31
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My understanding is that Canjet is to focus on charter op's but I thought I saw a release very recently about Canjet losing one of their previous charter contracts. Maybe the competition between scheduled and charter op's for lift capability meant they couldn't offer the charterers enough capacity. I guess one solution is to dump scheduled service altogether - but, what do they do with the excess capacity they have now, at least in the short-term?
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Originally Posted by LeSabre74
I've heard that Jazz has hit the ceiling in terms of the % number of jet flights they're allowed to operate for ACE. So unless they can improve utlization, where they're likely ro run into union troubles, how many more jet flights can they add?
1) More Dash 8 flying in the short term. Combine some W Cda ops and move over to Maritimes, plus increase Maritime Dash Flying.
2) No limit on Dash 8-Q400 flying. Could be about 10 Q400s come available in the mid term.
3) There is also a clause to add Jazz jet flying as AC increases the widebody schedule. For every one airplane increase in widebody, Jazz can add 2 CRJ705. I highly suspect that AC will keep some of the A340s and add widebody flying for 2007. Remember how long it took the A319s to completed replace the D9s which were to be replaced 1:1.
#33
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I flew many times on Canjet between YYZ and YYT, and earlier from YYZ to YOW before they pulled that route due to very low traffic. To me the service was always fine, and that was on the older 737-200's. I believe after they closed the first time that they parked the aircraft and brought the same ones back on the second go around. Some staff had said they were from US Air.
Let's see if Mr. Deluce will have Porter fly from YYZ to YYT. It will present an opportunity. Everyone I know who does that trip seems to have found the AC nearly 100% occupied in Y.
Let's see if Mr. Deluce will have Porter fly from YYZ to YYT. It will present an opportunity. Everyone I know who does that trip seems to have found the AC nearly 100% occupied in Y.
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Originally Posted by Skyhawk
I flew many times on Canjet between YYZ and YYT, and earlier from YYZ to YOW before they pulled that route due to very low traffic. To me the service was always fine, and that was on the older 737-200's. I believe after they closed the first time that they parked the aircraft and brought the same ones back on the second go around. Some staff had said they were from US Air.
Let's see if Mr. Deluce will have Porter fly from YYZ to YYT. It will present an opportunity. Everyone I know who does that trip seems to have found the AC nearly 100% occupied in Y.
Let's see if Mr. Deluce will have Porter fly from YYZ to YYT. It will present an opportunity. Everyone I know who does that trip seems to have found the AC nearly 100% occupied in Y.
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From the CanJet website
05/09/2006
Message to our Guests
Since CanJet Airlines’ inception four years ago, our focus has been to offer airline travelers an alternative low cost air travel service while maintaining a solid foundation of guest safety and superior customer service.
Unfortunately, our airline, over the years, has been faced with many uncontrollable challenges within the industry including high fuel costs, continual increases to airport fees as well as increases in competitive capacity on our primary routes. Subsequently, these challenges have forced CanJet to suspend all scheduled service while we endeavour to focus on our charter opportunities.
Therefore, it is with a great deal of regret that I inform you that CanJet will no longer offer scheduled air services at the end of business September 10, 2006. This includes all domestic flights as well as scheduled flights to New York and Florida. The airline will continue, however, to operate charter flights and will have aircraft available for ad hoc charter service.
For those passengers who are booked to travel beyond September 10, 2006, you will be fully refunded and those passengers requiring additional information about their travel plans can find a Frequently Asked Question page posted on our web site or contact our Reservations Sales Centre at 1-800-809-7777.
I would like to extend my personal gratitude to you for your patronage in the past and I wish all our customers continued safe and enjoyable air travel.
Yours truly,
Julie N. Gossen
Executive Vice President & COO
Message to our Guests
Since CanJet Airlines’ inception four years ago, our focus has been to offer airline travelers an alternative low cost air travel service while maintaining a solid foundation of guest safety and superior customer service.
Unfortunately, our airline, over the years, has been faced with many uncontrollable challenges within the industry including high fuel costs, continual increases to airport fees as well as increases in competitive capacity on our primary routes. Subsequently, these challenges have forced CanJet to suspend all scheduled service while we endeavour to focus on our charter opportunities.
Therefore, it is with a great deal of regret that I inform you that CanJet will no longer offer scheduled air services at the end of business September 10, 2006. This includes all domestic flights as well as scheduled flights to New York and Florida. The airline will continue, however, to operate charter flights and will have aircraft available for ad hoc charter service.
For those passengers who are booked to travel beyond September 10, 2006, you will be fully refunded and those passengers requiring additional information about their travel plans can find a Frequently Asked Question page posted on our web site or contact our Reservations Sales Centre at 1-800-809-7777.
I would like to extend my personal gratitude to you for your patronage in the past and I wish all our customers continued safe and enjoyable air travel.
Yours truly,
Julie N. Gossen
Executive Vice President & COO
#37
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Originally Posted by ogmios
Interesting. Usually the news is "We're going bankrupt. Goodbye." Kudos to them for at least making a change proactively and not screwing over their existing bookings.
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Originally Posted by robsawatsky
My understanding is that Canjet is to focus on charter op's but I thought I saw a release very recently about Canjet losing one of their previous charter contracts. Maybe the competition between scheduled and charter op's for lift capability meant they couldn't offer the charterers enough capacity. I guess one solution is to dump scheduled service altogether - but, what do they do with the excess capacity they have now, at least in the short-term?
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How many times must it be SHOUTED: THERE IS NO PLACE IN THE CANADIAN MARKETPLACE FOR MORE THAN TWO CARRIERS! IF THAT. Canada, unlike the US, has always had charter carriers flying regular domestic routes, as well as a far larger charter market than the US. It is far more logical to operate a charter airline than a scheduled airline, and far more profitable. It reached the point where the owners of CanJet felt they no longer wanted to subsidize travelers in eastern Canada. The jig's over.
As for restrictions on JAZZ, given changes in the market, changes in the operating agreement are possible. As long as the unions are satisfied they're all getting more work -- which they are -- the fleet can be increased. The real problem is the availability of aircraft and crews.
As for restrictions on JAZZ, given changes in the market, changes in the operating agreement are possible. As long as the unions are satisfied they're all getting more work -- which they are -- the fleet can be increased. The real problem is the availability of aircraft and crews.
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Wonder if they can just get away with refunding tickets? There is a contract I assume to take one from A to B - no? They are not declaring bankruptcy. I'd be pissed if I was flying them next week, they refunded me $200 and I had to spend $600 to book WS/AC.
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Originally Posted by Altaflyer
Wonder if they can just get away with refunding tickets? There is a contract I assume to take one from A to B - no? They are not declaring bankruptcy. I'd be pissed if I was flying them next week, they refunded me $200 and I had to spend $600 to book WS/AC.
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Originally Posted by Shareholder
THERE IS NO PLACE IN THE CANADIAN MARKETPLACE FOR MORE THAN TWO CARRIERS! IF THAT.
All joking aside... It is regrettable that the canadian market cannot sustain a third carrier. It seems we are back to the price--noncompetition of the CP/AC era, except that one dancer has left the floor to be replaced by another.
Originally Posted by Shareholder
If you take the "ignorance is bliss" attitude that lowest prices are always best for the consumer...over things like sustainability, profitability and viability. The falacy has been that cheap air fares are good for the consumer, but the reality is that businesses must make money to keep operating and cannot afford to subsidize their customers. The consumer argument is a fool's paradise which seems to have been forgotten by too many in the business world today.
Fare deregulation has completely discredited your way of justifying the status quo of quasi-regulated prices. There are now more people than ever who fly: if it weren't for WJ and the likes, we'd still be stuck with the very sustainable, profitable, viable, grossly overpriced and unaffordable midweek return fares that were completely unhelpful to the majority of travellers.
Originally Posted by Shareholder
Quite the contrary, the consumer will win having more stable carriers, reliable service and enhanced safety as there will be less pressure to trim costs and cut corners...
More airlines means the customer has more choices, which means airlines must compete by bettering their products, either pricewise or by other means. The consensus of this thread is that AC will dominate the Maritimes (at least in the short term): let us wait and see if the expected increase in revenues will translate into better service for Maritimers (will we see AC back in YYG?) or will simply become performance bonuses for upper managers.
#44
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This is because they want to focus on charter ops which make them money.
Is anyone seeing any increases on AC or WS fares yet? (on former C6 routes)
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One shoe falls...will the other follow ?
Originally Posted by airbus320
Who will benefit most from the CanJet demise?
Air Canada or WestJet?
Air Canada or WestJet?
add capacity in Eastern Canada to provide consumers with more travel options
at low fares following the termination of scheduled flying by CanJet Airlines.
Air Canada and Air Canada Jazz will add flights and larger aircraft to
serve the region on an as-needed basis in September and launch four new
flights beginning in October. The airline will continue to monitor the market
to determine if demand warrants further capacity additions.
"We want to make sure people flying to and from Eastern Canada and within
the region have plenty of choices available at attractive prices. We will be
adding flights and capacity on an ad hoc basis in September to meet market
demand and, in October, we will increase service on four existing routes,"
said Daniel Shurz, Vice-President, Network Planning at Air Canada. "CanJet
passengers looking to book new flights once the carrier ceases scheduled
operations September 10 will be able to make alternate arrangements with Air
Canada."
Fares from Halifax to Montreal or Ottawa start at $94 while flights from
Halifax to Toronto begin at $109.
Beginning in October, Air Canada and Air Canada Jazz will add one round
trip each from Halifax to:
- Toronto, using an Embraer E175, for a total of 10 weekday flights
- Montreal, using a Bombardier CRJ, for a total of 7 weekday flights
- Ottawa, using a Bombardier CRJ, for a total of 6 weekday flights
- Deer Lake, using a Bombardier CRJ, for a total of 4 weekday flights.
For November and beyond, Air Canada will analyze market conditions and
look for opportunities to increase Air Canada and Jazz service to meet
customer demand.