A321XLR Signature Class suites, CR9/E75 and 787/777 refreshes (M. Nasr interview)
May 27, 2023, 1:15 pm
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I certainly don't know (was just proposing a hypothetical), but I suspect AC has the data.
May 27, 2023, 2:19 pm
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I also don't think I've sat in PY with an empty seat next to me in many years. The cabin is always completely full on the routes I fly (almost all international), and I believe it has been enormously successful for AC - which makes the A321 decision even more perplexing.
May 27, 2023, 3:10 pm
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I also don't think I've sat in PY with an empty seat next to me in many years. The cabin is always completely full on the routes I fly (almost all international), and I believe it has been enormously successful for AC - which makes the A321 decision even more perplexing.
May 27, 2023, 4:14 pm
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I think there is a bit of a mix but having followed a few routes, the PY cabin has had few/no seats left prior to the upgrade window opening... and if you look at PY fares transatlantic they used to be in the $800 range per direction. They are now double that - a sure indication that AC is able to move the seats.
May 28, 2023, 12:00 am
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It would seem difficult to market a 2-2 PY cabin when the aircraft is flying in North America and I am curious as to how you think they might market it? AA is reconfiguring their A321's that were used on transcon routes where they had F (1-1), J (2-2), and Y (3-3). 2-2 is marketed as J on domestic, transborder, and sun routes, so it what would be done if the XLR is put on those routes? I see it as a pretty big challenge from a marketing and fleet utilisation perspective if it was J, PY, and Y (although I am sure it could be done).
May 28, 2023, 5:29 am
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I am convinced that fewer than 1% of all AC elites have any idea that these factors exist.
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May 28, 2023, 11:36 am
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How often are you flying and seeing the aircraft go out with empty PY seats? I genuinely can't remember seeing empty PY seats at all in my flying in 2023.
Granted I don't fly as much as many on here, but I'd estimate my sample size this year is probably > 20 flights on AC aircraft with PY cabins.
Granted I don't fly as much as many on here, but I'd estimate my sample size this year is probably > 20 flights on AC aircraft with PY cabins.
That is, until they moved a lady up from row 40-something close to landing time so that she would have a better chance of making a connecting flight.
May 28, 2023, 1:34 pm
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If I pay the $300 surcharge for a lie-flat, clearly the lie-flat (and accompanying service) is worth more to me than $300. And wide-body PY is generally cheaper than narrow-body J on a given route.
If I book YVR-YYZ-VIE, I don't even get a $300 refund if they do the same swap.
But what if I'm booked on a 788 in PY and it gets swapped for a XLR? Equipment swaps when booked in PY have always been an issue, but if they had actually done this in a way that all PLH routes would have Signature J, PY, and Y, on all types, then they could have mostly eliminated it.
May 28, 2023, 2:08 pm
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I also don't think I've sat in PY with an empty seat next to me in many years. The cabin is always completely full on the routes I fly (almost all international), and I believe it has been enormously successful for AC - which makes the A321 decision even more perplexing.
May 28, 2023, 2:33 pm
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But what if I'm booked on a 788 in PY and it gets swapped for a XLR? Equipment swaps when booked in PY have always been an issue, but if they had actually done this in a way that all PLH routes would have Signature J, PY, and Y, on all types, then they could have mostly eliminated it.
May 28, 2023, 3:26 pm
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May 28, 2023, 3:30 pm
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I think there is a bit of a mix but having followed a few routes, the PY cabin has had few/no seats left prior to the upgrade window opening... and if you look at PY fares transatlantic they used to be in the $800 range per direction. They are now double that - a sure indication that AC is able to move the seats.
May 28, 2023, 4:09 pm
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On aircrafts with PY cabin, I pay for at least PY, unless it’s something like YYZ-YUL, because sitting in Y on those aircrafts would be painful. If I somehow end up on an A321XLR in the future, I may have to pay for J.
I am not sure if most people pay for PY because they like the product, or they are simply avoiding Y.
I am not sure if most people pay for PY because they like the product, or they are simply avoiding Y.
May 28, 2023, 6:15 pm
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I often buy PY and definitely think of it as just avoiding Y. It feels much like what Y used to be like in the 1980s and 1990s, before seats got narrower and cabins denser.
May 28, 2023, 10:38 pm
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