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Old Jul 9, 2022, 7:45 pm
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Hot towels and warm nuts are still missing. Once those are back I think we can say things are back to normal.
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Old Jul 9, 2022, 7:54 pm
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Originally Posted by canadiancow
I do for my last bound. It was caused by ATC issues at YVR.
With problems like that, I don't know how AC can do much more.
I don't get the impression that this is an Air Canada problem, but more that it's a Canada problem. As Canada's largest airline, they would be disproportionally affected by any issues that are pervasive throughout Canada.
Assuming we're talking about the YVR ground delay from July 7th, it was specifically due to ATC staffing at YVR. Perhaps something legitimately outside of AC's control.

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It's been happening at multiple NavCan towers / centers from what I've heard, understaffing, a lot of overtime, and when someone calls in sick, they often need to implement restrictions to keep the workloads manageable for those who did show up.

And to OP, I don't know where you can find fully trained and capable ATC staff on a whim's notice. I guess in theory reducing scheduled flights would help prevent Nav Can restrictions, but that can lead to even more questions / problems.
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Old Jul 9, 2022, 8:01 pm
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Originally Posted by canadiancow
I don't have inside knowledge on my delay today.

I do for my last bound. It was caused by ATC issues at YVR.

With problems like that, I don't know how AC can do much more.

I don't get the impression that this is an Air Canada problem, but more that it's a Canada problem. As Canada's largest airline, they would be disproportionally affected by any issues that are pervasive throughout Canada.

Sure, they can cancel more flights, which will lesson the load on both them and the rest of the Canadian aviation industry.

But as someone who actually understands a lot of the industry, and has a lot of inside contacts, I don't think this is a problem that AC has the ability to solve on their own, even given unlimited resources.
I agree that this is a "Canada problem" but I don't know that it's because Canada's reacted uniquely poorly to this summer's challenges. I would be willing to bet that Canada has a disproportionate number of flights originating out of the three largest airports and large airports have been awful globally.
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Old Jul 9, 2022, 8:02 pm
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What is normal anymore? Even pre-covid in 2018, my YYJ - YVR flights were often delayed due to ATC staffing at YVR.
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Old Jul 9, 2022, 9:02 pm
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Delays and airport chaos will be here for a while, but it is easily within airline control to bring back hot towels, pre-departure drinks and warm nuts. I had a brief chat about this with a CSD in May, who said all the above were to reduce the risk involved with handling items, but its clear now that its a cost-cutting exercise given that restaurants on terra firma are fully open without restrictions.
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Old Jul 9, 2022, 10:49 pm
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Originally Posted by chris-price
Delays and airport chaos will be here for a while, but it is easily within airline control to bring back hot towels, pre-departure drinks and warm nuts. I had a brief chat about this with a CSD in May, who said all the above were to reduce the risk involved with handling items, but its clear now that its a cost-cutting exercise given that restaurants on terra firma are fully open without restrictions.
I am not sure it is just cost cutting. There is a sense of non-normality to the entire flying experience still in Canada and on Canadian carriers. Having warm towels and open bowels of warm nuts doesn't align with still having to wear a mask. Once Transport Canada decides to no longer have the mask rule in airports and on airplanes (and we can argue the point of the ongoing rule when the only other place masks are worn is hospitals) then I suspect Canadian carriers will move to resume all pre-Covid services.
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Old Jul 9, 2022, 11:05 pm
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Originally Posted by EdmFlyBoi
Having warm towels and open bowels of warm nuts ...
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Old Jul 9, 2022, 11:07 pm
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Oops - good catch. Open bowls and open bowels both don’t align with the mask rule.
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Old Jul 9, 2022, 11:08 pm
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My two cents: The airline needs to focus on getting the eastern and western triangles to be reliable and operational again (primarily YYZ-YUL and YYC-YVR) Flight crews from mainline and Jazz rely on these and a problem with the crews coming in can easily cascade through the system.
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Old Jul 9, 2022, 11:27 pm
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Originally Posted by Sopwith
....., airport authority, NAVCAN, CATSA, CBSA, fuel contractor, catering contractor, and a bunch of other (minor?) players. .....
With airlines cancelling flights, the above entities are being made to look better than they should.

Originally Posted by zappy312
And to OP, I don't know where you can find fully trained and capable ATC staff on a whim's notice.
Roughly two years to qualify someone.
Factor in training being paused for 18 months over covid........
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Old Jul 9, 2022, 11:42 pm
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Originally Posted by Jebby_ca
What is normal anymore? Even pre-covid in 2018, my YYJ - YVR flights were often delayed due to ATC staffing at YVR.
My view of normal is a delay rate or service quality that is similar to rest of North America.

YYZ-YYC had some brutal delays today...
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Old Jul 10, 2022, 11:46 am
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Originally Posted by Nitehawk
Hot towels and warm nuts are still missing. Once those are back I think we can say things are back to normal.
I agree, but recall reading somewhere in this very forum that some of these (and other) amenities were simply not on board due to the space occupied by CleanCare (tm) supplies.

Dunno if that is still the case or not, but I don't recall seeing any crew in full PPE gowns recently, so maybe some space has been freed up.
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Old Jul 10, 2022, 11:56 am
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We need a wiki of what "normal" is in this post-covid flying world
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Old Jul 10, 2022, 12:06 pm
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Originally Posted by TorTraveler
I agree that this is a "Canada problem" but I don't know that it's because Canada's reacted uniquely poorly to this summer's challenges. I would be willing to bet that Canada has a disproportionate number of flights originating out of the three largest airports and large airports have been awful globally.
It’s not even a uniquely travel issue. There are a lot of industries struggling under:

* A tight labour environment
* A 1-2 year pause in training new employees
* A 1-2 year pause in hiring new employees
* Losing a lot of experienced / near-retirement folks over the past 2.5 years
* A very hard to predict demand environment.

And so on.

Its an incredibly challenging environment. That’s not to say everything is excusable or that organizations don’t need to react better and adapt faster. But it’s just a really widespread problem right now.
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Old Jul 10, 2022, 12:15 pm
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Originally Posted by cooleddie
service quality that is similar to rest of North America.
​​​​​​It depends on how you define service quality. I took a 3 hr flight on UA Express (E175) last week and there were a lot of things missing compared to AC. No hot food, no porcelain dining ware, no metal cutlery, everything wrapped in plastic. And definitely no hot towels, warmed nuts, or PDBs (not even water).

​​​​​I connected to an AC flight, which was only like 30 minutes delayed. Plus had porcelain and hot food.
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