Service Director onboard upgrade
On a recent flight from Europe I boarded the plane to find someone else occupying my J seat. I was running very late due to a delayed connecting flight. A flight attendant asked the person occupying my seat for her boarding pass which clearly showed a seat in the Y cabin. The lady told the FA that she was told she could sit there by the service director. At this point the FA dealing with the situation went up to the front galley to let the SD know, who came back and told me discreetly that this lady was a Ukrainian refugee and that she didn't think I was going to show up for the flight so moved her up, and if I wouldn't mind sitting in another seat. 1A was available, so I said no problem. And obviously if the J cabin had been full I assume this passenger would be asked to move back to Y. I personally don't have a huge problem with this especially because the cabin was not full and all the waitlisted upgrades had cleared but it does create a slippery slope. Where does one draw the line? Are SDs authorized to dole out onboard upgrades based on passenger circumstance?
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Probably forbidden by AC policy. Probably happens more than we know.
Surprising it happened before the door closed. While I expect management to be very deferential to crew once the aircraft is theirs, I'm surprised a SD would put their neck out before. |
Originally Posted by RangerNS
(Post 34185629)
Probably forbidden by AC policy. Probably happens more than we know.
Surprising it happened before the door closed. While I expect management to be very deferential to crew once the aircraft is theirs, I'm surprised a SD would put their neck out before. |
Originally Posted by canadiancow
(Post 34185664)
It's much more obvious when it happens after the door closes. Do it during the mess of boarding, and maybe no one notices. Although I'm sure they would have when they started taking meal orders.
OP did not say. Sometime chaos to door closed is a minute, sometimes 30. How late were they? That matters. |
Per another FTer whose spouse works for AC, this is one of the only offenses that will result in a SD's immediate termination without the union able to defend/appeal.
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Originally Posted by expert7700
(Post 34185698)
Per another FTer whose spouse works for AC, this is one of the only offenses that will result in a SD's immediate termination without the union able to defend/appeal.
The real point is that the union contract contains very few provisions that allow AC to summarily fire them. Theft of services via unauthorized upgrades is one of them. |
Originally Posted by Far Siren
(Post 34185593)
And obviously if the J cabin had been full I assume this passenger would be asked to move back to Y. I personally don't have a huge problem with this especially because the cabin was not full and all the waitlisted upgrades had cleared but it does create a slippery slope. Where does one draw the line? Are SDs authorized to dole out onboard upgrades based on passenger circumstance?
I was thinking about what I'd do (or not do) if I were in your shoes... what would I do after the fact, if anything? I think I would just let sleeping dogs lie in this case. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ But yeah, the SD should've just waited until the doors close, or do it after the seatbelt sign goes off (because I've seen that too). |
My personal opinion, regardless of collective bargaining agreement terms or otherwise, is that great organizations empower their people to make good decisions. Part of a decision being defined as a good one is that there were no unintended consequences and that overall the decision resulted in a net positive.
My preference would be to see more of this in the world. |
Originally Posted by expert7700
(Post 34185698)
Per another FTer whose spouse works for AC, this is one of the only offenses that will result in a SD's immediate termination without the union able to defend/appeal.
Somebody did a nice gesture to a stranger in sad and very unusual circumstances, and nobody seems to have been inconvenienced much by the gesture. It would be sad if said gesture would later on result in bad consequences for the guy who did the gesture. |
My (jaded) opinion after thinking about this for the day is that if I thought I got caught doing something bad, "Ukrainian refugee" sounds like an excuse that will avoid complaints.
A Ukrainian refugee said "service director" in a coherent sentence? Half the SEs on FT can't do that. I've complained about an onboard upgrade once. I escalated it quite high. But no one even understood what I was saying. The "best" response I got was that everyone sitting in J was entitled to be there. Which sounds like they looked at the gate records, and not the fact that someone, wearing a RAIC, was moved up, after the decision to divert to origin. For the record, the mid-flight upgrade was actually quite disruptive to at least two of us. So no, I don't really believe the story. But I also don't think a complaint would get you very far. |
Originally Posted by canadiancow
(Post 34186444)
A Ukrainian refugee said "service director" in a coherent sentence? Half the SEs on FT can't do that.
Originally Posted by eqeqeqx
(Post 34186367)
In that case, perhaps the OP should delete his post to reduce the possibility of somebody getting in serious trouble, especially since it does not seem to have been a huge deal for the op.
Originally Posted by yyznomad
(Post 34186190)
Do you plan on writing in? Or just leave it in this thread?
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Originally Posted by Far Siren
(Post 34186765)
I just wanted to know how others would have reacted.
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Originally Posted by RangerNS
(Post 34185691)
How late were they? That matters.
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Originally Posted by zorn
(Post 34187216)
As long as I get what I paid for, and my unexpected new seat assignment isn't objectively inferior, I would not have any reaction to the seating position of any other passenger on an airplane.
Originally Posted by pmarrsouth
(Post 34187303)
Presumably not late at all if they could still board...
They had given away my J pillow. Crews seem to start assuming "boarding is complete" way too early. While I have had the door reopened for me once, I think "door closed" is a pretty safe time to assume boarding is complete. Not before. |
Originally Posted by pmarrsouth
(Post 34187303)
Presumably not late at all if they could still board...
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