Question: High loads to/from Europe (summer 2022)
Apr 30, 2022, 1:53 am
#31
Join Date: Jan 2022
Programs: Aeroplan 35K
Posts: 5
I am in Europe (France). I traveled there from YUL using a one-way aeroplan award ticket.
Looking at the latitude price (1400$ round trip) between CDG-YUL and the eupgrade availability. Does it make sense to book a Latitude round trip with the return very far in the future. When I have more precise plan about a future trip to France I could change the date.
Does it make sense to do that? I could book an other aeroplan award ticket, but this would allow me to take advantage of the double SQM/SQD promotion.
EDIT: my bad R/T cash fare is $2000 not $1400
Looking at the latitude price (1400$ round trip) between CDG-YUL and the eupgrade availability. Does it make sense to book a Latitude round trip with the return very far in the future. When I have more precise plan about a future trip to France I could change the date.
Does it make sense to do that? I could book an other aeroplan award ticket, but this would allow me to take advantage of the double SQM/SQD promotion.
EDIT: my bad R/T cash fare is $2000 not $1400
Last edited by Leward; Apr 30, 2022 at 2:05 am
Apr 30, 2022, 6:03 am
#32
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Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Canada
Programs: UA*1K MM
Posts: 23,297
I am in Europe (France). I traveled there from YUL using a one-way aeroplan award ticket.
Looking at the latitude price (1400$ round trip) between CDG-YUL and the eupgrade availability. Does it make sense to book a Latitude round trip with the return very far in the future. When I have more precise plan about a future trip to France I could change the date.
Does it make sense to do that? I could book an other aeroplan award ticket, but this would allow me to take advantage of the double SQM/SQD promotion.
EDIT: my bad R/T cash fare is $2000 not $1400
Looking at the latitude price (1400$ round trip) between CDG-YUL and the eupgrade availability. Does it make sense to book a Latitude round trip with the return very far in the future. When I have more precise plan about a future trip to France I could change the date.
Does it make sense to do that? I could book an other aeroplan award ticket, but this would allow me to take advantage of the double SQM/SQD promotion.
EDIT: my bad R/T cash fare is $2000 not $1400
If you are sure you are returning to Europe than for sure buy a return and change the date later.
Jun 13, 2022, 7:07 am
#33
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: MEX
Programs: AC E75K
Posts: 4,171
Have a look at LHR-YYZ-LHR. Latitude is $1400. Same flights, originating YYZ, Latitude is $3600.
This has nothing to do with the cabins being full, and everything to do with fleecing Canadians while enticing AC-averse Europeans to fly AC. This has been the case all of 2021, when latitude fares ex-Europe were <$1000.
This has nothing to do with the cabins being full, and everything to do with fleecing Canadians while enticing AC-averse Europeans to fly AC. This has been the case all of 2021, when latitude fares ex-Europe were <$1000.
Looking again now for the summer, nothing comes close. I wonder if this is related to the fuller premium cabins?
Jun 13, 2022, 7:56 am
#34
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And I just pulled up LHR-YYZ-LHR for $1600ish in Latitude for August - so its nothing but the standard summer season surcharge (Standard is also a bit higher than spring/fall)
Jul 14, 2022, 1:04 am
#35
Join Date: May 2005
Location: YOW
Programs: AC-SE100K MM, BA-S HH-D, MB-G LT Sil, IHG-Plt, Nexus, Global Entry
Posts: 3,802
Seat availability from LHR to YUL, YYZ
Seat availability appears to have gone to zeros across the board for the next several weeks based on Expert Flyer and a few random date flight searches. AC.com is returning options such as LHR-DUB-YYZ and LHR-BRU-YUL for flight searches.
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Jul 14, 2022, 7:33 am
#36
Join Date: Apr 2016
Posts: 611
ITA Matrix shows Jul 25th as the first available day for AC on LHR-YYZ / YUL in any cabin. I wonder if that's due to restrictions on departing passengers Heathrow wanted to implement or if there's genuinely full planes for the next week and a half.
Jul 14, 2022, 7:56 am
#37
Join Date: May 2004
Posts: 74
Seems high fares are here to stay esp in J to Europe---------------------had hoped see some Fare Reductions for Sept/Oct Yul/ CDG with many unsold J seats but AC/AF working together to hold the line at the moment-----perhaps they might wake up but equally likely to prefer fly half empty upfront
Jul 14, 2022, 8:14 am
#38
Join Date: Jun 2010
Location: MEX
Programs: AC E75K
Posts: 4,171
Jul 14, 2022, 8:58 am
#39
Join Date: Aug 2016
Location: YOW
Programs: Altitude 75K, LT Marriott Platinum
Posts: 258
Recently, a good friend of mine (SE 100) took AC 896 (YYZ - ATH) on a latitude fare and he didn't receive an upgrade to either PE or J class. PE and J classes are full to Athens all summer.
Jul 14, 2022, 9:27 am
#40
Join Date: May 2005
Location: YOW
Programs: AC-SE100K MM, BA-S HH-D, MB-G LT Sil, IHG-Plt, Nexus, Global Entry
Posts: 3,802
The AC app upgrade list for my AC867 tomorrow LHR-YUL is pure weirdness. Shows Business Booked 12/12 for an a/c which should have 20 seats; and PY Booked 19/19 for an a/c with 21 seats. Certainly appears like they have stopped selling. I hope the systems are smart enough to still allow upgrades into those (un)available seats.
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Jul 14, 2022, 11:52 am
#41
Join Date: Apr 2004
Location: Toronto
Programs: AC SE 1MM, Bonvoy Lifetime Titanium Elite
Posts: 914
I had my first Lat booking not get upgraded to PE or J last week (to CDG), totally booked. All the flights are jammed
Meanwhile I'm on TAP this week, and currently flying LIS-YYZ with only 3 other people up front (and it was only $3800 CAD R/T to BCN in J). Not as good as A/C service, but the NEO J config is good if you get the throne seats and the price point TATL is usually pretty good.
Meanwhile I'm on TAP this week, and currently flying LIS-YYZ with only 3 other people up front (and it was only $3800 CAD R/T to BCN in J). Not as good as A/C service, but the NEO J config is good if you get the throne seats and the price point TATL is usually pretty good.
Jul 14, 2022, 12:09 pm
#42
Join Date: Nov 1999
Location: MEX/YVR/YYF
Programs: AS MVP/AC75K/AM Gold/UA*S/SPG-Marriott Lifetime Titanium/Accor-FPC Gold/HHDiamond/Hyatt Exp
Posts: 5,035
Due to these full AC transatlantic flights and near zero chances of upgrades on my preferred routes/dates, I started the long way yesterday LIS-CUN-YYZ-YVR with TP A339 pods on the first segment and upgrades to pods on the latter two segments. Cost me less than PY lowest with AC, so I am pleased overall with the TP in-flight experience and with the extra miles.
As an aside, the TP LIS-CUN-LIS are up to 5x weekly on an A339 and yesterday's was sold out in both classes.
As an aside, the TP LIS-CUN-LIS are up to 5x weekly on an A339 and yesterday's was sold out in both classes.
Jul 14, 2022, 2:26 pm
#44
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: YVR
Programs: AC*SE MM, Marriott Lifetime Titanium
Posts: 4,604
I'm on a Latitude flight to LHR next week (confirmed upgrade) and am paranoid of an equipment change or IROPS booting me back to Y!
Jul 14, 2022, 6:41 pm
#45
Join Date: Apr 2000
Location: Mississauga Ontario
Posts: 4,098
I've given up on upgrades; now just buy biz-class flight passes to Europe for me and MrsITAG. Likelihood of getting an upgrade bumped increases with flight unreliability, delays and cancellations. Simply not worth the hassle anymore.