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Complex Multi-City Points Bookings, Stopovers & Adding Segments (Aeroplan 2.0)

Old Mar 10, 2021, 10:41 pm
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AUH-SFO is 8,158 miles.

AUH-NRT-SFO, at 10,159 miles (+25%) is not valid.
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Old Mar 10, 2021, 11:39 pm
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Originally Posted by canadiancow
AUH-SFO is 8,158 miles.

AUH-NRT-SFO, at 10,159 miles (+25%) is not valid.
Like, you tried to book that and got denied? Seems like an obvious HUCA to me?
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Old Mar 11, 2021, 2:02 am
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Originally Posted by YOWgary
Like, you tried to book that and got denied? Seems like an obvious HUCA to me?
I find I've been HUCAing a lot lately. In fact, HUCA from my post yesterday worked.

This agent actually did check with another department, which is why I didn't do an immediate HUCA.

Maybe tomorrow.
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Old Mar 11, 2021, 6:57 am
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Originally Posted by canadiancow
I find I've been HUCAing a lot lately. In fact, HUCA from my post yesterday worked.
So what is the limit on overage? Initially, didnt they said you are allowed up to double of direct distance. Do you think that is the case?
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Old Mar 11, 2021, 10:05 am
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Is it a question of overage, or not being able to travel via certain ITAA zone combinations?

I see it mentioned on PoT that he failed to get an LAX-NRT-AUH fare to book:

https://princeoftravel.com/blog/new-...plex-routings/

Perhaps the reverse also isn't possible?
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Old Mar 11, 2021, 10:47 am
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Originally Posted by kalderlake
Is it a question of overage, or not being able to travel via certain ITAA zone combinations?

I see it mentioned on PoT that he failed to get an LAX-NRT-AUH fare to book:

Perhaps the reverse also isn't possible?
My first sample search shows AUH-DEL-YVR as an option, which is the same combination of zones.
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Old Mar 11, 2021, 11:04 am
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Originally Posted by YOWgary
My first sample search shows AUH-DEL-YVR as an option, which is the same combination of zones.
That's good news; if we're not able to travel via certain zone combinations it's a pretty significant restriction on the entire program.

Cow's combination of flights just twigged what I'd read on PoT, which still raises some questions.
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Old Mar 11, 2021, 1:00 pm
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Originally Posted by kalderlake
That's good news; if we're not able to travel via certain zone combinations it's a pretty significant restriction on the entire program.

Cow's combination of flights just twigged what I'd read on PoT, which still raises some questions.
My point is that I don't think my data point (or Cow's, or Ricky's) is a complete understanding of the rules. I've definitely had agents tell me there were zone restrictions in other routings, but that was about entering your zone of origin and then leaving it again on the same bound, like YUL-LHR-YYZ-SCL.

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Old Mar 11, 2021, 1:04 pm
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Yeah I don't claim to know anything. I just know that I'm getting a lot of refusals that a HUCA solves, but also a bunch that it doesn't.
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Old Mar 11, 2021, 2:29 pm
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Originally Posted by canadiancow
I just know that I'm getting a lot of refusals that a HUCA solves, but also a bunch that it doesn't.
On the one hand, my HUCA count has gone way down during COVID, because only the most-experienced agents avoided layoffs.

On the other hand, the agents I do connect to, have consistently talked about how much there is to learn about the new program.
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Old Mar 11, 2021, 2:35 pm
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I had an agent surprised that there were no additional points required to add LAX-SFO onto AUH-IST-LAX.

First of all, that's 300 miles.
Second, the original itinerary was well above the top 8000 band.

Experienced does not mean good.
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Old Mar 11, 2021, 2:57 pm
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Originally Posted by canadiancow
I had an agent surprised that there were no additional points required to add LAX-SFO onto AUH-IST-LAX.

First of all, that's 300 miles.
Second, the original itinerary was well above the top 8000 band.

Experienced does not mean good.
Hey, I said my HUCA count has gone down, not gone away.
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Old Mar 11, 2021, 3:11 pm
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Originally Posted by YOWgary
My first sample search shows AUH-DEL-YVR as an option, which is the same combination of zones.
Actually, it's a different scenario since DEL is part of the "Atlantic" zone (IATA area 2) while NRT is in the "Pacific" zone (IATA area 3).

So in theory, there may be some (flawed) logic that allows AUH-DEL-YVR, but not AUH-NRT-YVR. Although hopefully this is just a HUCA situation.

I do however seem to recall Mark Nasr saying that North America - Europe via Asia was not permitted, even if the routing met the distance criteria.
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Old Mar 11, 2021, 3:30 pm
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Originally Posted by Jasper2009
Actually, it's a different scenario since DEL is part of the "Atlantic" zone (IATA area 2) while NRT is in the "Pacific" zone (IATA area 3).

So in theory, there may be some (flawed) logic that allows AUH-DEL-YVR, but not AUH-NRT-YVR. Although hopefully this is just a HUCA situation.

I do however seem to recall Mark Nasr saying that North America - Europe via Asia was not permitted, even if the routing met the distance criteria.
Which would be ridiculous.

AUH-ORD-IAH-LAX-SFO shows up in search results, at 9,917 miles.
AUH-NRT-SFO is 10,159.
AUH-SFO is 8,158.

I can appreciate not allowing YYZ-LHR via NRT. This is not that.
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Old Mar 11, 2021, 5:33 pm
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Originally Posted by canadiancow
Which would be ridiculous.

AUH-ORD-IAH-LAX-SFO shows up in search results, at 9,917 miles.
AUH-NRT-SFO is 10,159.
AUH-SFO is 8,158.

I can appreciate not allowing YYZ-LHR via NRT. This is not that.
Though whatever ruleset you create, will have some edge cases of this nature.
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