Complex Multi-City Points Bookings, Stopovers & Adding Segments (Aeroplan 2.0)
#766
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Join Date: Jan 2002
Location: Canada
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- The trouble I'm having is that I cannot for the life of me find a way to get home from Europe to YYZ on anything other than AC metal. I've tried finding ways home from CDG, FCO and ATH through a stopover in practically every European and US airport and cannot find one that works. The only option I've found is to fly home from FRA or MUC in Economy.
The best for availability into YYZ are LO and TP (from ORY). You will also see ZRH-YUL on LX. YYZ on TK is rare, but plentiful to YUL/BOS/IAD/ORD
#767
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Canada
Programs: Marriott LT Gold, IHG Club, Hertz Gold, Aeroplan, Avios, SkyMiles, Thrifty, AMEX
Posts: 985
- The trouble I'm having is that I cannot for the life of me find a way to get home from Europe to YYZ on anything other than AC metal. I've tried finding ways home from CDG, FCO and ATH through a stopover in practically every European and US airport and cannot find one that works. The only option I've found is to fly home from FRA or MUC in Economy.
Any reason why you have to have the trip booked as a RT vs 2 OW? Before when stopovers weren't allowed on OW itinerary it made sense, but these days I'm not sure there's much advantage.
#768
Join Date: Apr 2016
Location: YUL
Programs: AC E75, WS Gold, Hyatt Globalist, Marriott Titanium, Hilton Diamond, GHA Plat, UA Silver, SQ Silver
Posts: 215
RT makes sense (imho only) on AC metal itineraries where dynamic pricing (on some RT rewards) can be cheaper than same booking as 2 OW.
#769
Join Date: Apr 2022
Posts: 12
Need some help on itinerary change. I booked ORD-AUH-SIN on EY J with a stopover in AUH but had the wrong departure date from ORD-AUH (facepalm) . I called into aeroplan and they said they can’t change just one segment and it needs to be cancelled completely. If I do this he said I risk EY not putting the AUH-SIN portion back into the system for points redemption, is this correct?
I used cowtool for this (headache saver!) and I want to add YXE as the first location but can’t get the ORD-AUH-SIN route to come up only west thru NRT. Am I forced to add YXE-ORD as a separate redemption and pay the 12,000 points?
I used cowtool for this (headache saver!) and I want to add YXE as the first location but can’t get the ORD-AUH-SIN route to come up only west thru NRT. Am I forced to add YXE-ORD as a separate redemption and pay the 12,000 points?
#770
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Toronto, ON
Programs: AC 75K
Posts: 6,361
Need some help on itinerary change. I booked ORD-AUH-SIN on EY J with a stopover in AUH but had the wrong departure date from ORD-AUH (facepalm) . I called into aeroplan and they said they can’t change just one segment and it needs to be cancelled completely. If I do this he said I risk EY not putting the AUH-SIN portion back into the system for points redemption, is this correct?
I used cowtool for this (headache saver!) and I want to add YXE as the first location but can’t get the ORD-AUH-SIN route to come up only west thru NRT. Am I forced to add YXE-ORD as a separate redemption and pay the 12,000 points?
I used cowtool for this (headache saver!) and I want to add YXE as the first location but can’t get the ORD-AUH-SIN route to come up only west thru NRT. Am I forced to add YXE-ORD as a separate redemption and pay the 12,000 points?
#771
Join Date: Feb 2002
Location: YYC
Programs: AC*SE, SPG Plat, National Exec Elite
Posts: 570
Even on RT you can repeat same airport. Rule limits it per bound. A RT will have minimum 2 bounds and you can only access the airport once / bound.
RT makes sense (imho only) on AC metal itineraries where dynamic pricing (on some RT rewards) can be cheaper than same booking as 2 OW.
RT makes sense (imho only) on AC metal itineraries where dynamic pricing (on some RT rewards) can be cheaper than same booking as 2 OW.
#772
Join Date: Apr 2016
Location: YUL
Programs: AC E75, WS Gold, Hyatt Globalist, Marriott Titanium, Hilton Diamond, GHA Plat, UA Silver, SQ Silver
Posts: 215
Need some help on itinerary change. I booked ORD-AUH-SIN on EY J with a stopover in AUH but had the wrong departure date from ORD-AUH (facepalm) . I called into aeroplan and they said they can’t change just one segment and it needs to be cancelled completely. If I do this he said I risk EY not putting the AUH-SIN portion back into the system for points redemption, is this correct?
For these - you book your TPAC/ TATL routes (in this case ORD-AUH-SIN) first and then call back later to add the YXE-ORD to existing booking. Almost always it goes through
#773
Join Date: Apr 2022
Posts: 2
There's multiple ways to fly from ATH - YYZ without AC provided you are flexible with layovers and partner availability exists. Try following routes
ATH - CPH - YYZ (with SK)
ATH - WAW - YYZ (with A3 & LO)
ATH - AUH - YYZ (with EY)
ATH - IST - YYZ (with TK)
Again all these depends on availability
ATH - CPH - YYZ (with SK)
ATH - WAW - YYZ (with A3 & LO)
ATH - AUH - YYZ (with EY)
ATH - IST - YYZ (with TK)
Again all these depends on availability
This may not display while searching because the AC engine prefers AC flights. You may need to search by segment and piece it together yourself.
The best for availability into YYZ are LO and TP (from ORY). You will also see ZRH-YUL on LX. YYZ on TK is rare, but plentiful to YUL/BOS/IAD/ORD
The best for availability into YYZ are LO and TP (from ORY). You will also see ZRH-YUL on LX. YYZ on TK is rare, but plentiful to YUL/BOS/IAD/ORD
I'll take a look at TK flights to the other airports you mentioned, thanks!
I'm seeing availability from WAW on LO to both JFK and ORD on the 23rd; the JFK option forces an overnight (and a change of airport for your YYZ flight), but the ORD option gets you home the same day. Just have to figure out how to get to WAW.
Any reason why you have to have the trip booked as a RT vs 2 OW? Before when stopovers weren't allowed on OW itinerary it made sense, but these days I'm not sure there's much advantage.
Any reason why you have to have the trip booked as a RT vs 2 OW? Before when stopovers weren't allowed on OW itinerary it made sense, but these days I'm not sure there's much advantage.
Oh sorry, I was looking at it as two OW tickets.
First OW - YYZ-LIS-FCO-ATH
Second OW (using the ORD segment you found) - ATH-CDG-WAW-ORD-YYZ
#774
Join Date: Mar 2015
Location: YVR
Posts: 1,082
Thanks for taking a look! Yes I saw the WAW on LO to JFK as well. I guess my question in my original post was, there doesn't seem to be a way to get home to YYZ on a partner airline. So if I take LO to JFK/ORD, and then take AC metal home to YYZ, will it be a small incremental points cost?
Also, it seems if the award flights from NYC/ORD to YYZ is not X/I space (ie. cash space), you're routing would need to also be permitted as per the underlying cash fare.
ATH-CDG-WAW-NYC/ORD-YYZ may or may not be permitted.
You can try and add an AC segment at the end of your trip, and if it doesn't end up working out, consider buying a revenue ticket for that last hop.
#775
Join Date: May 2017
Posts: 23
Hi everyone,
Trying my hand for the first time with a more complex booking than just domestic.
I want to book YVR-MLE-YVR or YVR-DPS-YVR next year.
This is not available as per the cowtool for any date I checked. However the individual segments, YVR-TPE, TPE-SIN and SIN-MLE are available.
This is 10k miles when checked with the greater circle mapper. If I am looking at the chart correctly (NA-Atlantic, >8k miles) this should be 100k.
1. If I find availability for the above segments and don’t go over the 24 hour layover rule, does this sound bookable? Even though I don’t see YVR-MLE available using the cowtool?
2. Another novice question - I am only finding J space from YVR to Asia on Eva next FEB/March. Nothing on Thai, SQ, very few seats on ANA. Nothing on NZ to AKL (just to test). I checked dates 300-330 days from now. Do the other airlines book out really fast, or do they release space at different times?
3. I’ve never really travelled in business long haul before. I have about 400k miles. I’m open to going to other destinations to experience an amazing premium cabin product. What’s your favourite redemption in J/F?
Thanks,
Trying my hand for the first time with a more complex booking than just domestic.
I want to book YVR-MLE-YVR or YVR-DPS-YVR next year.
This is not available as per the cowtool for any date I checked. However the individual segments, YVR-TPE, TPE-SIN and SIN-MLE are available.
This is 10k miles when checked with the greater circle mapper. If I am looking at the chart correctly (NA-Atlantic, >8k miles) this should be 100k.
1. If I find availability for the above segments and don’t go over the 24 hour layover rule, does this sound bookable? Even though I don’t see YVR-MLE available using the cowtool?
2. Another novice question - I am only finding J space from YVR to Asia on Eva next FEB/March. Nothing on Thai, SQ, very few seats on ANA. Nothing on NZ to AKL (just to test). I checked dates 300-330 days from now. Do the other airlines book out really fast, or do they release space at different times?
3. I’ve never really travelled in business long haul before. I have about 400k miles. I’m open to going to other destinations to experience an amazing premium cabin product. What’s your favourite redemption in J/F?
Thanks,
#776
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in theory you should be able to price out anything that combines individual segments but finding an agent knowing how and willing to may be a challenge.
#778
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Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: AU
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I was happy with EY a couple weeks ago, biz class was fine, First will be even better.
#779
Join Date: Apr 2016
Location: YUL
Programs: AC E75, WS Gold, Hyatt Globalist, Marriott Titanium, Hilton Diamond, GHA Plat, UA Silver, SQ Silver
Posts: 215
My J preferences (strictly based on AP partners)
For Europe - my goto are LX & TK. (mainly because lot of availability from YUL and overall solid product). If I can't find both of these - I will go with LH, AC & OS
Indian Subcontinent - I tend to prefer Middle eastern carriers in these routes - EY, GF, WY as they suite me best when it comes to award availability, hard / soft product & schedule.
Asia - BR, NH, SQ, TG
Australia - SQ, EY
If we are stretching outside of Aeroplan - Qsuites will be my favorite J product. EK F when it comes to F
#780
Join Date: Mar 2015
Location: YVR
Posts: 1,082
Just wanted to confirm my understanding, but if one were to make a modification to a "bound" that contained AC segments, then that entire bound would get re-priced whenever a change is made, correct?
In my situation, I have a trip booked that got changed involuntarily, and now contains a connection time that is a bit too tight for comfort.
There's a later flight with award availability that I'd like to change to instead, but I'm concerned about whether this will trigger a re-price of this bound.
The bound includes AC and partner flights, with the flight I'm wanting to modify a partner flight.
In my situation, I have a trip booked that got changed involuntarily, and now contains a connection time that is a bit too tight for comfort.
There's a later flight with award availability that I'd like to change to instead, but I'm concerned about whether this will trigger a re-price of this bound.
The bound includes AC and partner flights, with the flight I'm wanting to modify a partner flight.