Complex Multi-City Points Bookings, Stopovers & Adding Segments (Aeroplan 2.0)
Apr 3, 2022, 6:41 am
#676
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Toronto, ON
Programs: AC 75K
Posts: 6,358
Your trip falls into the 4001-6000 miles band, so if you had all partner airlines it would be 70k+5k, but you have an air canada flight which means there isn’t a flat rate. It could be as low as 70k+5k, but it could also be higher due to dynamic pricing.
It’s also possible that it’s pricing yyz-muc-spu, and spu-zrh separately as this isn’t a valid routing based on the underlying fare rules. If you can find a routing without an AC flight you won’t trigger this rule.
It’s also possible that it’s pricing yyz-muc-spu, and spu-zrh separately as this isn’t a valid routing based on the underlying fare rules. If you can find a routing without an AC flight you won’t trigger this rule.
Last edited by ChrisA330; Apr 3, 2022 at 6:54 am
Apr 6, 2022, 9:21 am
#678
Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: Vancouver
Programs: BAEC Blue, Air Canada 25K, Accorhotel Gold
Posts: 80
Stopover single Asia-North America journety
I have questions about using stopovers on a single journey from Asia back to Canada. This will likely be in April of next year and would hope to be booking J flights at least transpacific. So in April next year, planning to either be in Hong Kong or Japan, but need to transit back through Taipei and stay there for at least a week. Hoping to use alternate carriers throughout (EVA/ANA).
If I am booking a stopover, does this have to be booked as a stopover from the very beginning, or would it be possible to book Japan-Taipei-Vancouver or HKG-TPE-YVR as a single non-stopover flight, and then call in and adjust just the first leg from Japan/HKG to Taipei? Or just book TPE-YVR now, and call in in the future to add the first step and have it designated stopocver?
Is it possible to use the multi city booking option on Aeroplan for this? When I try it it seems to add the 2 miles and taxes together.
It looks to me like the appropriate option is to call in when both of these flights are available and designate the journey as a stopover journey from the beginning. Is that correct? No online option that minimizes taxes/miles?
Once I have made a legitimate stopover booking, I can then move the two parts around individually if necessary?
If J status is achieved transpacific, but other booking is not on the stopover flight (economy), do I have J status on the first part (economy) booking?
With TPE currently still with 2 weeks quarantine (and no tourists), will this mean I cannot call in and make the booking)? I believe this is the current rule, but hear it will change
Thanks for any help
Jeff
If I am booking a stopover, does this have to be booked as a stopover from the very beginning, or would it be possible to book Japan-Taipei-Vancouver or HKG-TPE-YVR as a single non-stopover flight, and then call in and adjust just the first leg from Japan/HKG to Taipei? Or just book TPE-YVR now, and call in in the future to add the first step and have it designated stopocver?
Is it possible to use the multi city booking option on Aeroplan for this? When I try it it seems to add the 2 miles and taxes together.
It looks to me like the appropriate option is to call in when both of these flights are available and designate the journey as a stopover journey from the beginning. Is that correct? No online option that minimizes taxes/miles?
Once I have made a legitimate stopover booking, I can then move the two parts around individually if necessary?
If J status is achieved transpacific, but other booking is not on the stopover flight (economy), do I have J status on the first part (economy) booking?
With TPE currently still with 2 weeks quarantine (and no tourists), will this mean I cannot call in and make the booking)? I believe this is the current rule, but hear it will change
Thanks for any help
Jeff
Apr 6, 2022, 9:28 am
#679
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: May 2015
Location: BOS, YVR, ZRH
Programs: *G
Posts: 17,384
I have questions about using stopovers on a single journey from Asia back to Canada. This will likely be in April of next year and would hope to be booking J flights at least transpacific. So in April next year, planning to either be in Hong Kong or Japan, but need to transit back through Taipei and stay there for at least a week. Hoping to use alternate carriers throughout (EVA/ANA).
If I am booking a stopover, does this have to be booked as a stopover from the very beginning, or would it be possible to book Japan-Taipei-Vancouver or HKG-TPE-YVR as a single non-stopover flight, and then call in and adjust just the first leg from Japan/HKG to Taipei? Or just book TPE-YVR now, and call in in the future to add the first step and have it designated stopocver?
You can call it and change it into a stopover, just book one leg now and then add the other later, or call the stopover from the beginning. All should work. Just keep in mind that if you have ANY AC flights, any changes to individual legs may reprice the whole trip.
Is it possible to use the multi city booking option on Aeroplan for this? When I try it it seems to add the 2 miles and taxes together.
have to call in.
It looks to me like the appropriate option is to call in when both of these flights are available and designate the journey as a stopover journey from the beginning. Is that correct? No online option that minimizes taxes/miles?
have to call in. Doesn't have to be a stopover from the beginning - you can make a regular booking online and call in later to convert it to a stopover journey - but anything involving stopovers requires a call.
Once I have made a legitimate stopover booking, I can then move the two parts around individually if necessary?
yep.
If J status is achieved transpacific, but other booking is not on the stopover flight (economy), do I have J status on the first part (economy) booking?
not sure what you mean by J status - do you mean a mixed-class booking? If you're on a mixed-class booking (e.g. Y-flight followed by J-flight) you do NOT get lounge access before your Y-flight, if that's the question.
With TPE currently still with 2 weeks quarantine (and no tourists), will this mean I cannot call in and make the booking)? I believe this is the current rule, but hear it will change
You should be able to call in and make the booking, as long as the flights exist.
Thanks for any help
Jeff
If I am booking a stopover, does this have to be booked as a stopover from the very beginning, or would it be possible to book Japan-Taipei-Vancouver or HKG-TPE-YVR as a single non-stopover flight, and then call in and adjust just the first leg from Japan/HKG to Taipei? Or just book TPE-YVR now, and call in in the future to add the first step and have it designated stopocver?
You can call it and change it into a stopover, just book one leg now and then add the other later, or call the stopover from the beginning. All should work. Just keep in mind that if you have ANY AC flights, any changes to individual legs may reprice the whole trip.
Is it possible to use the multi city booking option on Aeroplan for this? When I try it it seems to add the 2 miles and taxes together.
have to call in.
It looks to me like the appropriate option is to call in when both of these flights are available and designate the journey as a stopover journey from the beginning. Is that correct? No online option that minimizes taxes/miles?
have to call in. Doesn't have to be a stopover from the beginning - you can make a regular booking online and call in later to convert it to a stopover journey - but anything involving stopovers requires a call.
Once I have made a legitimate stopover booking, I can then move the two parts around individually if necessary?
yep.
If J status is achieved transpacific, but other booking is not on the stopover flight (economy), do I have J status on the first part (economy) booking?
not sure what you mean by J status - do you mean a mixed-class booking? If you're on a mixed-class booking (e.g. Y-flight followed by J-flight) you do NOT get lounge access before your Y-flight, if that's the question.
With TPE currently still with 2 weeks quarantine (and no tourists), will this mean I cannot call in and make the booking)? I believe this is the current rule, but hear it will change
You should be able to call in and make the booking, as long as the flights exist.
Thanks for any help
Jeff
Apr 6, 2022, 10:07 am
#680
Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: Vancouver
Programs: BAEC Blue, Air Canada 25K, Accorhotel Gold
Posts: 80
Great answers,, thanks, I meant J status luggage allowance on the first leg, if first leg was booked economy, second leg transpaciifc in J, but I suspect it is no, based on lounge answer
Much appreciated,
Jeff
Much appreciated,
Jeff
Apr 6, 2022, 10:45 am
#681
FlyerTalk Evangelist
Join Date: May 2015
Location: BOS, YVR, ZRH
Programs: *G
Posts: 17,384
Luggage you might actually get away with, but I'm honestly not 100% sure. GENERALLY luggage allowance is based on the longest/trans-ocean segment's class and applies to the entire trip (I think?), so you might be okay there. Lounge access is different because your boarding pass will just say Economy and that won't get you in unless a lounge dragon is very nice and listens to your story.
Apr 6, 2022, 9:43 pm
#682
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: YTO
Posts: 594
Can't change from AC+partner all-economy to mixed-class
Is this HUCA? Want to reprice my itin correctly, after changing 2 segments on EVA from economy to Business.
Original booking:
YYZ-CDG AC economy
<stopover 5000 pts>
CGD-TPE-SGN BR economy.
It booked as a Pacific Zone oneway (with a Stopover) for total 56,000 pts.
"I" inventory appeared for both BR segments. Called Aeroplan to change the 2 BR segments to Business Class, leaving the AC segment in economy. Told NO. "Impossible". "Doesn't work that way".
I'm grateful for any input.
Original booking:
YYZ-CDG AC economy
<stopover 5000 pts>
CGD-TPE-SGN BR economy.
It booked as a Pacific Zone oneway (with a Stopover) for total 56,000 pts.
"I" inventory appeared for both BR segments. Called Aeroplan to change the 2 BR segments to Business Class, leaving the AC segment in economy. Told NO. "Impossible". "Doesn't work that way".
I'm grateful for any input.
Last edited by yyzAAguy; Apr 7, 2022 at 2:16 pm Reason: told to edit
Apr 7, 2022, 6:10 am
#683
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Toronto, ON
Programs: AC 75K
Posts: 6,358
Is this HUCA, have I triggered the dreaded "rule", or do I just give up?
Original booking is
YYZ-CDG AC economy (price, if booked alone, unchanged at 33,700, which is below the lowest of the dynamic range)
<stopover 5000 pts>
CGD-TPE-SGN BR economy.
It booked as a Pacific Zone oneway (with a Stopover) for 56,000 pts (on 4th call; first 3 typical AP behaviour you've read about above: "this is an open jaw, this is multiple trips, can't do that, I've worked here for years and it's always been this way, SIR"...)
When "I" inventory appeared for both BR segments, I called Aeroplan to pay more points and rebook the 2 BR segments in "I", leaving the AC segment in economy. There's no dispute that the AC segment price has not changed, and that the inventory I want is available. Result (warning you'll be shocked! shocked!!!): NO WAY NO HOW CAN'T, COMPUTER SAYS NO, TOO COMPLICATED TO EXPLAIN... Escalation produced a much more nuanced "No but I'll send it to our IT department, they'll get back to you in a week or two". A variety of explanations were offered, using impressive buzzwords like "combinability".
I'm obliged to the tribe for any input. If this is a straighforward HUCA scenario, great, I'll screw up the courage. The thought of it makes me yearn for Total Sensory Deprivation. If there's a detail I should have included herein, apologies.
Original booking is
YYZ-CDG AC economy (price, if booked alone, unchanged at 33,700, which is below the lowest of the dynamic range)
<stopover 5000 pts>
CGD-TPE-SGN BR economy.
It booked as a Pacific Zone oneway (with a Stopover) for 56,000 pts (on 4th call; first 3 typical AP behaviour you've read about above: "this is an open jaw, this is multiple trips, can't do that, I've worked here for years and it's always been this way, SIR"...)
When "I" inventory appeared for both BR segments, I called Aeroplan to pay more points and rebook the 2 BR segments in "I", leaving the AC segment in economy. There's no dispute that the AC segment price has not changed, and that the inventory I want is available. Result (warning you'll be shocked! shocked!!!): NO WAY NO HOW CAN'T, COMPUTER SAYS NO, TOO COMPLICATED TO EXPLAIN... Escalation produced a much more nuanced "No but I'll send it to our IT department, they'll get back to you in a week or two". A variety of explanations were offered, using impressive buzzwords like "combinability".
I'm obliged to the tribe for any input. If this is a straighforward HUCA scenario, great, I'll screw up the courage. The thought of it makes me yearn for Total Sensory Deprivation. If there's a detail I should have included herein, apologies.
In case this is the actual issue: a voluntary change to a flight, reprices the whole itinerary
Apr 7, 2022, 11:53 am
#684
Join Date: May 2014
Location: Toronto
Programs: Aero Plan, Marriott, Air Miles
Posts: 106
AP redemption using stopover from YYZ-MiddleEast-Asia
Hello folks, as travel is picking up and award space is disappearing at fast pace, i wanted to book two(2) tickets for a 3 week trip during xmas holidays (Dec 9th to Jan2nd). I wanted to visit two places in middle east before heading to Asia (Vietnam).
Love to hear if any one recently booked using Aero plan or any other FFP and how much it might cost as i am getting different amounts every time calling AP call centre to stich using 1 stop over policy.
Segment-1: Dec 9th onwards YYZ(Toronto) to DXB(Dubai) by Dec 13th night to stay in Al-Maha resort and wanted to put a stop over at AMM (Amman) for 3 days. I am expecting around 90k in J but seeing more than 150k+
Segment-2: Dec 17th onwards from DXB(Dubai) to HAN(Hanoi) to spend one week in vietnam, then bus to Cambodia to sepnd another 1 week, then bus to bangkok to catch return flight to YYZ (which is already puchased using cash fare of $250).
I am open for any decent layovers during this trip maximize the points like CAI (to visits pyramids), IST (day trip) or VIE ( day trip).
I do have significant AP miles, AS miles (60k each), AVIOS(70k+), WJD $600, AMEX MR 150k(canada), 250k(USA).
So far i only redeemed using AP miles in the past and trying to see which other FFP gives the best value for the points.
Appreciate any suggestions/leads/feedback.
Love to hear if any one recently booked using Aero plan or any other FFP and how much it might cost as i am getting different amounts every time calling AP call centre to stich using 1 stop over policy.
Segment-1: Dec 9th onwards YYZ(Toronto) to DXB(Dubai) by Dec 13th night to stay in Al-Maha resort and wanted to put a stop over at AMM (Amman) for 3 days. I am expecting around 90k in J but seeing more than 150k+
Segment-2: Dec 17th onwards from DXB(Dubai) to HAN(Hanoi) to spend one week in vietnam, then bus to Cambodia to sepnd another 1 week, then bus to bangkok to catch return flight to YYZ (which is already puchased using cash fare of $250).
I am open for any decent layovers during this trip maximize the points like CAI (to visits pyramids), IST (day trip) or VIE ( day trip).
I do have significant AP miles, AS miles (60k each), AVIOS(70k+), WJD $600, AMEX MR 150k(canada), 250k(USA).
So far i only redeemed using AP miles in the past and trying to see which other FFP gives the best value for the points.
Appreciate any suggestions/leads/feedback.
Apr 7, 2022, 1:09 pm
#686
Join Date: Apr 2016
Posts: 609
If your routing doesn't involve any Air Canada operated flights, it should price out at the award chart + stopover costs (assuming you abide by the other "rules). If your YYZ-DXB flight involves any AC flights, pricing and routing rules can differ.
Apr 7, 2022, 2:16 pm
#687
Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: YTO
Posts: 594
Apr 7, 2022, 2:25 pm
#688
Join Date: Mar 2001
Location: Toronto, ON
Programs: AC 75K
Posts: 6,358
Is this HUCA? Want to reprice my itin correctly, after changing 2 segments on EVA from economy to Business.
Original booking:
YYZ-CDG AC economy
<stopover 5000 pts>
CGD-TPE-SGN BR economy.
It booked as a Pacific Zone oneway (with a Stopover) for total 56,000 pts.
"I" inventory appeared for both BR segments. Called Aeroplan to change the 2 BR segments to Business Class, leaving the AC segment in economy. Told NO. "Impossible". "Doesn't work that way".
I'm grateful for any input.
Original booking:
YYZ-CDG AC economy
<stopover 5000 pts>
CGD-TPE-SGN BR economy.
It booked as a Pacific Zone oneway (with a Stopover) for total 56,000 pts.
"I" inventory appeared for both BR segments. Called Aeroplan to change the 2 BR segments to Business Class, leaving the AC segment in economy. Told NO. "Impossible". "Doesn't work that way".
I'm grateful for any input.
Apr 7, 2022, 2:26 pm
#689
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: Paris
Programs: AF, UA, BA/IB, VS, Marriott Gold, Hilton Gold
Posts: 278
Currently have 3 tickets in business:
DEN-MUC-FLR (70k)
FLR-VIE-BER (VIE is stopover 15k+5k)
BER-MUC-DEN (70k)
Just realized that I could book as follows and save 10k points:
DEN-MUC-FLR- STOPOVER - VIE
VIE-BER -STOPOVER- MUC- DEN
If I call, will they reprice it? Will they keep the existing flights or does there have to be new award availability to build a new PNR?
Thanks in advance
DEN-MUC-FLR (70k)
FLR-VIE-BER (VIE is stopover 15k+5k)
BER-MUC-DEN (70k)
Just realized that I could book as follows and save 10k points:
DEN-MUC-FLR- STOPOVER - VIE
VIE-BER -STOPOVER- MUC- DEN
If I call, will they reprice it? Will they keep the existing flights or does there have to be new award availability to build a new PNR?
Thanks in advance