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Basics Back to top

Q: What is an eUpgrade?
A: eUpgrades (sometimes referred to as “eUps”) are a benefit of elite status with AC that allow elites to upgrade to a higher cabin (business class / Signature class, a.k.a. “J”, or premium economy, a.k.a. “PY” or “PE”).

Q: Are eUps automatic, like on Delta/AA/United?
A: No, you have to request one online or with a phone agent. You have to have sufficient eUpgrade credits (which, like the concept of eUpgrades, are often referred to as "eUps"), with an expiry date at least equal to the date of your flight, to make the request. If you don’t request an eUp, AC has no problem letting you sit in your original cabin, even if it means letting seats in J/PY go out empty.

Q: How many eUpgrade credits do I need for my flight?
A: Here's the official eUp chart (last updated by AC in October 2020; current as of at least December 2023)

Q: How are the number of required eUpgrade credits calculated for multi-segment itineraries? Is it by adding the cost of upgrading each segment individually, or for the end-to-end journey?
A: As long as your travel is continuous (without a >24hr stopover), then the number of eUpgrade credits required is for the end-to-end journey. Example, if you are travelling from YVR-YYZ-FRA, then the cost of upgrading both segments will be the same as though you had just a single segment from YVR-FRA. In some cases this may mean that a shorter segment is "free" (has no marginal cost). Note that you must clear each segment individually.

If you request an eUpgrade for AAA-BBB-CCC, but only the BBB-CCC segment clears, you will be charged eUp credits applicable only to the upgraded leg.

Q: I’m booked in economy on an aircraft with both PY and J cabins. Can I request an upgrade to both?
A:
No. You can request PY only, or you can request J and be listed for both J and PY.

Q: Can I confirm an upgrade to PY, then request an upgrade to J?
A:
Nope. Once you confirm a PY upgrade, that’s it.

Q: If I don’t clear my upgrade to J, can I still get upgraded to PY?
A:
Yes, if your upgrade doesn’t clear until the gate, you will be on the list for both J and PY, including the seats newly-vacated by people booked in PY who cleared their eUp to J at the gate.

Q: Are eUps guaranteed once they're confirmed?
A:
Not quite. For example, you won't get bumped out of an eUp just because somebody with higher status requested one after yours was confirmed. However, in very rare circumstances, for example if your plane gets swapped for one with a smaller (or no) business cabin, you might lose your eUp. See this thread for details. Further note that Air Canada generally takes the approach that a downgrade-from-eUp for operational reasons (equipment change, broken seat, etc) shall not receive any meaningful compensation, since you flew in the cabin you paid for.




Timing & Availability Back to top

Q: When can I request an eUpgrade?
A: You can request an upgrade as soon as you book the flight, with the exception of the travel companion benefit (person on same flight but not on same PNR; see below for details). Travel companion eUpgrade requests need to be made by airport staff after the flight opens for check-in.

Q: When can I confirm (or "clear") my eUpgrade?
A: You have to be within the "clearance window" that applies to your status and fare type. The windows are detailed in the AC eUp requirements document.

Q: Can you be more specific?
A:
All upgrades that clear in advance of the gate are subject to upgrade space being available. In addition:
  • for flexible fares (Latitude and Premium Economy Flexible): If upgrade space is available (more on that below) you can confirm an eUpgrade immediately after booking, even months in advance.
  • for non-flexible fares (Standard, Flex, Comfort, Premium Economy Lowest): You have to be within the clearance window in the document linked above, which ranges from 3-14 days, depending on fare brand, route, and status.
Exception: if you have no status, you can only clear an upgrade on a Latitude or Premium Economy Flexible fare 7 days in advance (non-flexible fares cannot be upgraded).

Q: What does "upgrade space" mean?
A:
Upgrade space (also known as R space - see below) refers to the number of seats that Air Canada are prepared to let people upgrade in to, in advance. This is not the same as the number of business seats that are available for sale. If Air Canada think that they will be able to sell all of the business seats on a plane (by the time of the flight) then they might not make any upgrade space available for that flight, even a full year in advance.

Q: I see a lot of people talking about "R space" or "R0", what does that mean?
A:
In short, R is the fare bucket Air Canada uses to make eUpgrade space available. If R is greater than zero, there are eUp spaces still available. If R = 0, then anyone who's requested an eUp will be waitlisted.

Q: What if I only want to upgrade to Premium Economy?
A:
Replace "R" with "N".

Q: The AC website tells me whether my upgrade request will be confirmed or waitlisted. Is it reliable?
A:
No. The website may tell you you’ll be waitlisted, when in fact your upgrade will be confirmed right away. Or it may say there’s space available even though you’ll be waitlisted. This is true of both the upgrade availability displayed during the booking flow as well as the eUpgrade website. The only exception being that if you’re outside your clearance window, the website should pretty reliably tell you that you’ll be waitlisted.

If the website tells you you’ll be upgraded, then waitlists you, you may be able to phone in to have the eUpgrade cleared, or not. If there’s R space, it’s likely they will be able to clear the upgrade.

Q: I’m waitlisted on a flight that’s R0. Will AC release more R space before the flight? Do I have to wait until the flight to find out whether I’m upgraded?
A:
AC might release more R space tomorrow (or clear your upgrade without creating any R space). Or they might never clear any more upgrades on that flight. If you’re still waitlisted, your upgrade may clear at the gate.

Q: What does “at the gate” mean?
A:
The upgrade list is typically processed 5 minutes after check-in for the flight closes. Check-in generally closes 45 minutes before domestic flights and 1 hour before international flights, meaning the upgrade list gets run at T-40 or T-55, as applicable (although occasionally it will be delayed). Even if your upgrade doesn’t clear at that point, it’s theoretically possible to still be upgraded if someone else in the cabin doesn’t show up.

Q: Is there a way to check my position on the upgrade list? To ensure I am on the list?
A: The mobile app will have a "Standby and Upgrade" list available at T-24 hours on the Flight Status page. Note that the order of the list may not be the order in which they process eUpgrades and only people checked in will show on the list. If you are upgraded you will receive a check mark beside your name?

Q: I boarded the plane but am still hoping for an upgrade; however, my name is no longer on the list? Does that mean I won't get upgraded?
A: Once you are marked as boarded in the system your name will no longer appear on the mobile app. There is much debate on what policy is once boarded; however, many feel "You Board, You Lose" and once boarded you are not likely to be upgraded using eUpgrades as the gate agents must process that transaction manually.

Q: So is there a chance that my upgrade might clear after I have boarded?
A: Probably not. Although this has happened on occasion, it's not a normal or automated or routine occurrence. Generally speaking, once you have boarded your name is removed from the upgrade list and you'll be sitting in the seat you boarded for. See this thread for details.

Q: How can I find the R space for my flight?
A:
Using a paid service like ExpertFlyer. If you ask nicely and don't overdo it, many FTers with EF accounts will help you in the Official Fare Bucket Check Request Thread.

Q: So, WHEN should I check for R space for my flight?
A:
This depends on your status and what kind of fare you have, so please read and keep in mind the confirmation windows mentioned above.
  • If you have (or are about to purchase) a flexible fare (Latitude and Premium Economy Flexible), then by all means check now since your upgrade could also clear immediately. If your plans are flexible, this can be a useful strategy to help find specific flights that could clear immediately well before the ‘normal’ confirmation windows.
  • If you don’t have one of the flexible fares mentioned, R space viewed on something like ExpertFlyer is only useful when you get close to your confirmation window. Checking before that is probably a waste of time.

Q: I heard a rumour that paid Latitude fares can eUp even when R=0. Is this true?
A:
Sometimes; it's complicated. Senior execs at Aeroplan have said that “in some cases” a Latitude or PE Flex cash fare (including Flight Pass Latitude Bookings) might clear an eUp even when R=0, but they've also been very clear that they will not be releasing the exact method by which this is determined, and that the same thing is less-often true for award Latitude / PE Flex. In other words, it may happen but don't assume it, and there are lots of times when it simply never happens.

Q: My flight shows R=1 (or more), and I'm within my window, but my upgrade has not cleared.
Answer depends on how close you are to the flight.
  • Within 36 hours of departure Your upgrade can't clear until the gate.
  • More than 36 hours from departure: Cancelling the request and then requesting again may solve it. Or you may be able to solve it by phoning in. Or you may not, because it's AC.

Q: I have a pending upgrade and I am looking at the mobile app - who are all those other people listed?
A:
The list shows everyone who wants to sit in a cabin that they're not currently confirmed in. If you see a name listed for both PY and J, they're trying to upgrade from Y; names listed only for J are trying to upgrade from PY.

Q: What are my chances of clearing an eUp for [FLIGHT] on [DATE] if I have [STATUS]?
A:
All we can do is make an educated guess. Lots of business travel gets booked last minute, or pilots need to reposition, or any of a dozen other things that might turn J9 in to J0 just before departure.

Q: But the seat map shows [x] seats occupied. Surely that means my odds are [good][bad]?
A: STOP LOOKING AT THE SEAT MAP. STOP LOOKING AT THE SEAT MAP. STOP LOOKING AT THE SEAT MAP.

Seriously, stop looking at the seat map. The seat map is not an accurate guide to the number of seats available in the cabin. Many people do not select their seats when booking, which can mean more seats have been sold than show as occupied on the seat map. On the other hand, due to IT glitches, seats are sometimes shown as blocked when there are waitlisted eUps or staff members on passes (see this thread for details). So the seat map may show more seats available than there truly are, or fewer. Or it may be correct. There’s no way to know for sure.

So stop looking at the seat map.

Q: I see people talking about "Aerolotto", what is that? Can I bet eUps?
A:
Aerolotto is a slang term for waiting at the gate to see if your eUp clears, or you're stuck in the original seat you paid for.

Q: I want to upgrade my flight on date X, but all my eUps expire on date Y, where Y < X. Can I upgrade?
A: NO. To eUp any flight, at any time, you need to have credits that are still valid on the date of the flight.



Earning and Validity Back to top

Q: How long are eUpgrades good for? When do they expire?
A: It depends on when the eUpgrade is deposited in your account.
  • eUpgrade earned January 1st - June 30th: Valid until January 15th of next calendar year
  • eUpgrade earned July 1st - December 31st: Valid until January 15th two calendar years later

Q: When do I need to use them by?
A: An eUpgrade needs to be used for a flight departing prior to 23:59 local time (where your flight departs) on the day your eUpgrade expires.

Q: Can I delay picking my benefits package until after July 1st to have eUpgrades have the later expiry year?
A: Yes. Picking your benefit after July 1st will have your eUpgrades deposited with an expiry year two years after the deposit date.

Q: I have an Amex Reserve / VISA VIP card that offers eUpgrade rollover. When I try to apply eUpgrades to a flight next year, it doesn't work. Why?
A: The eUpgrade rollover feature does not extend the expiry date of your eUpgrades. Those eUpgrades will expire, and you'll be issued new eUpgrades with a new expiry date. The T&C of these programs state that the rollover eUpgrades will be deposited by March 30, but it in 2022 and 2023 they were deposited before the end of January. Because of this quirk, it is not possible to use eUpgrades that would be rolled over. This thread on Aeroplan rollover benefits has more detailed information.

Q: Can I buy eUpgrades?
A: No. Generally you can only earn eUpgrades through a benefit package or SQM thresholds.



Upgrading Multiple Passengers Back to top

Q: I want to use my eUp credits to upgrade somebody else. Is this possible?
Are they on the same booking (“PNR”) as you?
  • Yes: You can upgrade a maximum of three passengers on a booking. If the booking has more than three passengers, you can't request an upgrade for any of them, before the day of travel. You can split the booking so that it has at most three passengers, then upgrade it, although splitting bookings can come with other, negative consequences.
  • No, but they’re on the same flight: You can request the upgrade at the airport on the day of travel; AC refers to this as upgrading a "travel companion".
  • No, and they’re not on the same flight: No, unless you’re Super Elite. If you’re Super Elite, you can designate a nominee, and you can upgrade this person on any flight they’re on. Your nominee selection stays in effect until January 17th of each year, and you only get one per status year. You cannot upgrade anyone else on your nominee's PNR.

Q: I'm trying to upgrade a travel companion on my flight, but the agent has no idea how. What do I do?
A: Tell the agent to go to the "customer" tab, select "upgrade", then select "use other FQTV".

Q: What's the maximum number of people I can upgrade on a flight
Are you Super Elite?
  • No: 5 (yourself + two people on the same PNR + two travel companions)
  • Yes: 6 (yourself + two people on the same PNR + two travel companions + nominee)

Q: I am SE and want to upgrade my nominee but they are on a PNR with multiple people and the system won't let me? Why not? What now?
A:
You can't have multiple people on the same PNR living in different cabins so the eUpgrade system will not allow you to request the eUpgrade. You may need to call in to AC (or Aeroplan if it is a flight reward) and ask them to split the PNR so that the person you want to upgrade is on their own PNR, at which point your eUpgrade should be fine. This shouldn't impact the ticket or incur a fee. But once you split the PNR you cannot join it back.

Q: I am SE and want to upgrade my nominee and their companion traveling on the same PNR. Is this possible?
A:
No.

Q: Can I upgrade my nominee on a flight that departs after January 17th?
A:
Yes, you should be able to upgrade them on any flight, regardless of departure date (subject to having eUps with sufficient validity).



Payments and Refunds Back to top

Q: If I don't get upgraded, or my flight gets cancelled, do I get the eUps back?
A:
Yes, eUps get refunded if your upgrade doesn't clear or your flight is cancelled (whether AC cancels it or you do). This should happen automatically shortly after the flight in most cases. If your eUps don't get returned to your account, fill out the form on this page.

Q: The eUpgrade I want to use has an additional cost. When will I be charged?
A:
eUpgrade add-ons are charged to your credit card when the eUpgrade is cleared, although AC may place a hold on the card before that.

Q: I'm a Super Elite and I'm still being charged for add-ons. Why?
A:
Super Elites are only exempt from eUpgrade add-on charges on international business-class flights (except for Standard tickets.)

Q: Will I be refunded my add-on payment if I cancel a booking that successfully cleared an eUpgrade?
A: There are no refunds on add-on payments.

Q: I paid extra for a Preferred Seat in Economy, does that fee get refunded if my upgrade request is successful?
A: There is no refund on preferred seats if you are upgraded.

Q: Do I earn Status Qualifying Dollars (SQD) for any eUpgrade add-on fees?
A: Yes, eUpgrade add-on fees paid where applicable earn SQD. This applies to fares paid in cash and with Aeroplan points. The SQD from the add-on will post as a separate transaction and may not post at the same time as the SQM/SQS/SQD from the flight itself.

Q: Who earns the SQD? If I upgraded someone using my eUps, do I get it?
A: SQD is earned by the passenger who was eUpgraded – who paid for the eUps or for the add-on doesn’t matter.



Priority for eUps Back to top

Q: What is the priority for eUpgrades?
A:
Upgrade priority at the gate:
  1. Cabin: If you're in PY, you're ahead of everyone in Y
    • Note: for upgrades to PY only, the requested cabin also appears to matter - AC appears to process anyone who requested, and didn't receive, an eUp to J, before those who requested an upgrade to PY (i.e. a 25K on a Flex fare who requested, but failed to clear, an upgrade to J would get a PY upgrade before an SEMM on a Latitude fares who only requested an eUp to PY). Note that this has not yet been extensively tested by FTers and is based on order on the publicly available upgrade list
  2. Status: There are several sub-priorities within status, listed in order of importance:
    1. Elite status; VIP > SE > 75K > 50K > 35K > 25K
    2. MM status; 2MM+ (no distinction between 2MM, 3MM, etc) outranks MMs, who outrank those with MM status
    3. Do you have a Premium credit card (TD/CIBC VIP or Amex Reserve) or not? (Other cards convey no eUp priority benefit)
    • To illustrate: any VIP > SE 2MM+ with credit card > SE 2MM+ > SE MM with credit card > SE MM > SE with credit card > SE > any 75K
    • If two passengers are on the PNR, the priority might be based on the highest status, regardless of who requested the upgrade, per this post
  3. "Fare": Brand comes first (PF > PL; LT > CO > FL > ST), so a low Comfort fare is higher priority than Flex M. Within a brand, fare class matters. If you bought your ticket through another airline, and you don't have a brand, they infer a brand based on the fare class.
    Fare class hierarchy:
    • PY fares: O > E > A > N
    • Y fares: Y > B > M > U > H > Q > V > W > S > T > L > K > G
  4. Check-in time: As indicated by your sequence number

Upgrade priority prior to the gate is similar, with possible exceptions for full-fare (Latitude / Premium Economy Flexible) bookings. In the old system, a 25K on a Latitude fare would be ahead of a SE on a Premium Economy Lowest fare prior to the gate. Time of upgrade request replaces check-in time.

Q: How can I tell where I rank for an upgrade?
A:
After check-in opens, the AC app has an upgrade list where you can see the people on the waitlist for J and PY. Note that the list is not only for eUps, but also includes customers on standby and some employees travelling on passes, and possibly others.

Q: How do those other things rank relative to eUpgrades?
A:
Staff on pass travel generally rank below eUps, while others may effectively rank ahead of or behind eUps.

Q: Is the app always correct?
A:
Unfortunately not. Sometimes the order is wrong, and sometimes people are missing from the list entirely even though they’re actually on the waitlist for an upgrade (and we have numerous reports of eUps clearing even when people weren’t showing on the public list)



eUpgrades & Partner Airlines Back to top

Q: Can I use eUps if I credit my mileage on an Air Canada flight to another airline?
A:
Yes. To request an eUpgrade, your Aeroplan number has to be on the file. Crediting to another FFP requires changing your Aeroplan number after check-in.

Q: Can I use eUps on partner operated flights (such as United, Lufthansa, etc)?
A:
No, you can only use eUps on flights operated by aircraft with "Air Canada" written on the outside.

Q: Can I use eUps on an Air Canada operated flight that was booked through a partner?
Answer depends on what type of booking you have made.
  • Cash tickets (i.e. not points): Yes, but with some complexity as to when and how you can request the upgrade.
    Is your AC flight a codeshare (a flight marketed by the other airline but operated by AC, e.g. marketed as UA5678, operated by AC as AC1234)?
    • No: you should be able to request it as usual via the eUp site
    • Yes: you can eUpgrade that -- but not before the day of the flight. You may only request an upgrade with an Air Canada agent at the airport, or at the departure gate on your day of travel.
  • Points tickets (United MileagePlus, Avianca Lifemiles, etc): No. These tickets cannot be upgraded.



Other Types of Upgrade Back to top

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Old Aug 8, 2022, 3:39 pm
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Originally Posted by jethro288
I have read the wiki but still not clear on how things work - seems to be a lot of marketing smoke and mirrors. I bought a ticket a few weeks ago and was eligible for anytime upgrade (SE; 1MM; Premium Economy Flexible O class). I applied for upgrade and was waitlisted. Didn't understand why when 1/2 of Business Class seats were available. called Air Canada and they explained "R" class - so at this point, I understood the process and what that meant (and that anytime upgrade does not really mean anytime upgrade) - so let it go. Today, I got email from Air Canada saying I could do a "Bid Upgrade" or an "Instant Upgrade". Called Air Canada - I made the stupid assumption that if bid upgrade or instant upgrade was available then "anytime upgrade" should have worked - but it was not to be - seems to be a different upgrade system. My question is why does Bid Upgrade have higher priority than "Anytime Upgrade". I was also told that Instant Upgrade is the same as Anytime Upgrade and since I had already made that request it was not available. Wouldn't transparency and clear language be a wonderful thing!
There's no such thing as an "Anytime Upgrade", and that phrase doesn't appear anywhere on the AC website according to Google. There are:
  • eUpgrades (the subject of this thread)
  • Bid Upgrades - upgrades for cash or points, processed ~48 hours before the flight
  • Last-Minute Upgrades ("LMUs", available beginning at check-in)

Bid upgrades don't have a higher priority than eUpgrades. If you put in a bid up request today, it will get processed ~48 hours from your flight, and you may or may not be successful with you bid. Your eUp request could clear tomorrow, next week, next month, a week before the flight, at the gate, or never. They're different programs with different timeframes.

The "Instant Upgrade" that's sometimes advertised through the bid upgrade site is simply changing your existing ticket/fare in economy or premium economy for one in a higher cabin. If you were to look at the cost of buying a business class ticket on your flights today, you would probably find that the cost of the "upgrade" is equal to the difference between the current price for business class and what you originally paid for your ticket. This is also sometimes referred to around here as "upfaring" your ticket. As is detailed in the wiki, the fact there are business class seats for sale doesn't mean there's R space available for eUps.

An instant upgrade is not the same as an eUpgrade, and having requested an eUp would not impact your ability to upfare your ticket. It's possible they might need to cancel your original eUp request to process the upfare, but that shouldn't matter to you - since you're now buying a business class ticket, you don't need an eUpgrade.

If you have specific questions about bid ups or LMUs, please consult the relevant threads.
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Old Aug 8, 2022, 4:18 pm
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Originally Posted by Adam Smith
An instant upgrade is not the same as an eUpgrade, and having requested an eUp would not impact your ability to upfare your ticket. It's possible they might need to cancel your original eUp request to process the upfare
That limitation is definitely the case with the website - the upfare option is not presented if you have already requested an eUp, and it comes back as soon as you cancel the eUp request. I can't see how there's any dependency there and it's likely just AC IT at work.
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Old Aug 8, 2022, 5:18 pm
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Originally Posted by Adam Smith
There's no such thing as an "Anytime Upgrade", and that phrase doesn't appear anywhere on the AC website according to Google. There are:
  • eUpgrades (the subject of this thread)
  • Bid Upgrades - upgrades for cash or points, processed ~48 hours before the flight
  • Last-Minute Upgrades ("LMUs", available beginning at check-in)

Bid upgrades don't have a higher priority than eUpgrades. If you put in a bid up request today, it will get processed ~48 hours from your flight, and you may or may not be successful with you bid. Your eUp request could clear tomorrow, next week, next month, a week before the flight, at the gate, or never. They're different programs with different timeframes.

The "Instant Upgrade" that's sometimes advertised through the bid upgrade site is simply changing your existing ticket/fare in economy or premium economy for one in a higher cabin. If you were to look at the cost of buying a business class ticket on your flights today, you would probably find that the cost of the "upgrade" is equal to the difference between the current price for business class and what you originally paid for your ticket. This is also sometimes referred to around here as "upfaring" your ticket. As is detailed in the wiki, the fact there are business class seats for sale doesn't mean there's R space available for eUps.

An instant upgrade is not the same as an eUpgrade, and having requested an eUp would not impact your ability to upfare your ticket. It's possible they might need to cancel your original eUp request to process the upfare, but that shouldn't matter to you - since you're now buying a business class ticket, you don't need an eUpgrade.

If you have specific questions about bid ups or LMUs, please consult the relevant threads.
I was using the term anytime upgrade based on an Air Canada document on eupgrade requirements. I have attached screenshot that references "anytime":


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Old Aug 8, 2022, 5:31 pm
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A question please. I don’t use e-upgrades very often, and I also understand that AC IT isn’t the best. I booked a DXB-YYZ latitude award ticket and was waitlisted for the upgrade. No problem as there was no R space so I understood why. Today I received a schedule update on the flight. It has been pushed back by 90 minutes. That said, my e-upgrades were returned to my account and now the system says e-upgrades on this flight are not available.

Should I give the system some time to process this change, understanding that AC IT is not great, or do I need to call in to re-apply my e-ups?

Thx
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Old Aug 8, 2022, 5:33 pm
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Originally Posted by jethro288
I was using the term anytime upgrade based on an Air Canada document on eupgrade requirements. I have attached screenshot that references "anytime":
That's not an "Anytime Upgrade", it's an eUpgrade that could clear at any time after booking, but might not, as explained in detail in the wiki. The AC website does make it clear that upgrades are subject to space being available: "Once your clearance window opens, if upgrade space is available, your upgrade will be confirmed. If no upgrade space is available, you will be waitlisted."
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Old Aug 8, 2022, 6:02 pm
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Anytime

Originally Posted by Adam Smith
That's not an "Anytime Upgrade", it's an eUpgrade that could clear at any time after booking, but might not, as explained in detail in the wiki. The AC website does make it clear that upgrades are subject to space being available: "Once your clearance window opens, if upgrade space is available, your upgrade will be confirmed. If no upgrade space is available, you will be waitlisted."
Thanks for the follow up - as a normal customer who does not know the ins and outs of the terminology (e.g. R class) or the small print, the meaning of "anytime" and "space being available" are subject to a lot of misunderstanding. There are business class seats available but not that meet the "anytime" clearance requirements so I was surprised when based on the bid upgrade email, there was indication that the upgrade would likely be successful if I bid 150.000 points or $1500 cash for FRA-YYZ upgrade from a Premium Economy Flexible ticket.
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Old Aug 8, 2022, 6:08 pm
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Originally Posted by jethro288
Thanks for the follow up - as a normal customer who does not know the ins and outs of the terminology (e.g. R class) or the small print, the meaning of "anytime" and "space being available" are subject to a lot of misunderstanding. There are business class seats available but not that meet the "anytime" clearance requirements so I was surprised when based on the bid upgrade email, there was indication that the upgrade would likely be successful if I bid 150.000 points or $1500 cash for FRA-YYZ upgrade from a Premium Economy Flexible ticket.
Years ago, the AC website specifically mentioned R booking class, or P/Z if trying to upgrade Latitude/PY Flex. I suspect they felt that confused more people than it helped. Those who really want to know how these things work come to somewhere like FT. Others just shrug their shoulders if they're waitlisted and hope for the best. I suspect the number of people who (a) assume that "upgrade space" just means "any space in the cabin" and (b) call in about it is pretty limited, and that most just assume if their upgrade doesn't clear, there's no "upgrade space" available.
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Old Aug 8, 2022, 6:14 pm
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eUpgrades working?

I'm trying to eUpgrade my 8/10/22 flight and I keep getting an error message. Is the website partially down? Same thing with the app btw.
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Old Aug 8, 2022, 6:38 pm
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As Adam Smith noted, AC has removed most explicit references to "R' class. There's still some here and there (like in the Terms and Conditions for the Signature Suite) and, of course, the wiki in this thread talks about it.

Without getting too historical here, the concept of "any time" upgrades that has also been mentioned is also anchored in the murky past.

Back in the bad old days, we would wait (until ungodly hours in some cases) until the exact second of our upgrade window opening (T - 7 days, for example) and then hit the upgrade button. Now, the "system" just does that for us and we can request the upgrade at "any time".
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Old Aug 8, 2022, 6:49 pm
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Originally Posted by Bohemian1
As Adam Smith noted, AC has removed most explicit references to "R' class. There's still some here and there (like in the Terms and Conditions for the Signature Suite) and, of course, the wiki in this thread talks about it.

Without getting too historical here, the concept of "any time" upgrades that has also been mentioned is also anchored in the murky past.

Back in the bad old days, we would wait (until ungodly hours in some cases) until the exact second of our upgrade window opening (T - 7 days, for example) and then hit the upgrade button. Now, the "system" just does that for us and we can request the upgrade at "any time".
I remember the old days only too well! The rationale for my original post was that if I made a bid upgrade of 150,000 points, it would "likely" be successful. This implied to me that the bid upgrade is prioritized over an upgrade request that has "anytime" clearance (based on availability of space). The agent that I spoke to today indicated that even although my upgrade request was made 6 weeks out from the flight, I will now only find out if the upgrade clears once the flight is closed for boarding because there is no R space available (whereas a bid upgrade will be processed before then).
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Old Aug 8, 2022, 7:07 pm
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Originally Posted by jethro288
The rationale for my original post was that if I made a bid upgrade of 150,000 points, it would "likely" be successful. This implied to me that the bid upgrade is prioritized over an upgrade request that has "anytime" clearance (based on availability of space). The agent that I spoke to today indicated that even although my upgrade request was made 6 weeks out from the flight, I will now only find out if the upgrade clears once the flight is closed for boarding because there is no R space available (whereas a bid upgrade will be processed before then).
The agent gave you incorrect information. An eUp can clear any time from when the clearance window opens up until time of the flight, as I said in my earlier post.

Bid upgrades get processed at T-48, and either they're successful or not. Your bid upgrade might fail, and then your eUp might clear at the gate, for instance. So it's not accurate to say they're prioritized. They're different systems with different rules and different timelines.

Last edited by Adam Smith; Aug 8, 2022 at 11:22 pm Reason: Corrected typo
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Old Aug 8, 2022, 7:16 pm
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Originally Posted by illico
A question please. I don’t use e-upgrades very often, and I also understand that AC IT isn’t the best. I booked a DXB-YYZ latitude award ticket and was waitlisted for the upgrade. No problem as there was no R space so I understood why. Today I received a schedule update on the flight. It has been pushed back by 90 minutes. That said, my e-upgrades were returned to my account and now the system says e-upgrades on this flight are not available.

Should I give the system some time to process this change, understanding that AC IT is not great, or do I need to call in to re-apply my e-ups?

Thx
I've got a similar problem, though my routing is DXB-YYZ-YVR in December. YYZ-YVR was upgraded at time of booking and that flight hasn't changed, the connection time is still okay at 1:40. My booking continues to show that 13 credits have been applied for this route, but there's no way for me to tell if DXB-YYZ is still waitlisted or not because all upgrade waitlisting references for particular flights online and on the app were removed. The eupgrade page doesn't work, and cowtool is down.
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Old Aug 8, 2022, 7:24 pm
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Originally Posted by envol
I'm trying to eUpgrade my 8/10/22 flight and I keep getting an error message. Is the website partially down? Same thing with the app btw.
There's a bunch of discussion of this problem over in the website thread.
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Old Aug 8, 2022, 7:26 pm
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Originally Posted by Adam Smith
The agent gave you incorrect information. An eUp can clear any time from when the clearance window opens up until time of the flight, as I said in my earlier post.

Big upgrades get processed at T-48, and either they're successful or not. Your bid upgrade might fail, and then your eUp might clear at the gate, for instance. So it's not accurate to say they're prioritized. They're different systems with different rules and different timelines.
Thanks again for the clarification - I appreciate the information. I have no intention of making an upgrade bid - 150,000 points is ludicrous to upgrade from Premium Economy to Business Class. I am also a little ticked off at Lufthansa - two of the flight legs (FRA-JNB and return) are operated by them and even though the ticket is Premium Economy Flexible (O) - they are still charging me for Advanced Seat Selection because I purchased the ticket from Air Canada and not them - just another money grab!!
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Old Aug 8, 2022, 8:21 pm
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Originally Posted by guessaaa
I've got a similar problem, though my routing is DXB-YYZ-YVR in December. YYZ-YVR was upgraded at time of booking and that flight hasn't changed, the connection time is still okay at 1:40. My booking continues to show that 13 credits have been applied for this route, but there's no way for me to tell if DXB-YYZ is still waitlisted or not because all upgrade waitlisting references for particular flights online and on the app were removed. The eupgrade page doesn't work, and cowtool is down.
after 90 min with support, they informed me that my issue is an IT issue and that I am not the only person with this problem. The agent was unable to apply the e-ups either and so i am at the mercy of AC IT for the moment.
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