The Lev

What are your dates? AC moved the MUC flight to later in the day causing lots of connection issues. If you want to stick with AC, I'm pretty sure you'll be able to find BCN-FRA-YYZ-SFO - the only problem is that it requires an early morning departure from BCN.
AC used to have a program where if you were flying business class and had to stay overnight in YYZ they'd pay for the hotel... If you don't have to be back in SFO it might be worth speaking to AC and seeing if that program is still in place. Would be a way to break up what would otherwise be a very long day of flying.

Actually as long as you don't change the arrival and departure cities and don't change the date, this isn't your "free change" - this is just you picking flights that suit your needs better than the change they have proposed.

Flying Machine

actually I made a mistake. My outbound SFO YYZ ZRH BCN Is good. It’s the return which is MAD MUC YYZ SFO With the forced overnight in YYZ. Flight is October 7. I guess I have to look again, sorry for the error. Any assistance is helpful thanks

Flying Machine

Update: I do see MAD FRA YYZ SFO all on the same day (my preference) with the over the water portion and intra European flights on LH. Doing so will give me about 800 less PQP’s on my quest for 1K on United. Otherwise I’m not seeing that many great options

On the plus side I could fly in the upper deck of the 744 which I’ve never done before on LH. Decisions decisions

Bohemian1

Dunno, upper deck on the 744 is okay but I find the LH planes a bit ancient. Take out behind the barn and shoot kind of ancient.

Flying Machine

Oh and I thought they were newly remodeled interiors..

with that said for all the AC experts with this type of routing which equipment do you like best? I’ve already picked the 787’s Dash 8–9 on my original itinerary, I’m seeing some widebody Airbuses as well but I really don’t know the AC fleet. Any suggestions would be helpful. Thanks

EdmFlyBoi

All of AC’s wide bodies now have reverse herringbone seats. The A330’s are being refitted and only new cabin aircraft are in service.

Flying Machine

Good to know, now I have to find some AC flights that will work for the return home. I was siding towards LH, however after the comment of the aircraft being ancient I’m going to rethink that. Thanks again

Jagboi

I though LH was flying the 747-8? The days of the 747 are numbered, if it's something on your bucket list I'd do it sooner than later. I've only flown upper deck on a BA 747 and with 20 seats and 2 flight attendants it's great service. It's a small cabin, in a good way. With few passengers it's quiet, thus a good place to sleep on overnight flights.

capedreamer

I wouldn't call LH's J product "ancient". The 2-2 or 2-2-2 layout is definitely inferior as a hard product, but I prefer LH's soft product (meals and service), even as an AC SE.

My statement above was based on pre-pandemic times. Since the pandemic started: I'm not sure what AC's J meals are like now (or will be come your flight date), but for much of the pandemic, AC's meal offering in J was significantly downgraded from the pre-pandemic normal, whereas LH had largely maintained its standard meal offerings.

EdmFlyBoi

I would agree about flying the upper deck on a 747. If you have never done it, I would recommend it. My last trip to South Africa I was able to fly in the nose on an LH 744 and the upper deck on an LH 748. I suspect the 748's will remain in service a while based on how LH uses their fleet.

AC's J seat is definitely better, although if you are traveling with someone it is less of an issue. I would agree that LH has better catering. Not sure I would agree about the bedding though.

Symmetre

Agree the upper deck experience is one for the bucket list. Suck it up and fly the jumbo while you can. You'll be glad you did.

Adam Smith

Those interested in a detailed discussion of LH's 747s are reminded to visit the LH forum.

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