A deep dive on mixed-cabin awards with Mark Nasr
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#32
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To clarify - this is no longer a feature of a Business Standard reward. What you book is what you'll fly, no more gate waitlist on mixed-cabin awards.
The intent of the new program is that the pricing for Business Flexible *should* put all AC-operated segments into J unless that cabin is already full.
The intent of the new program is that the pricing for Business Flexible *should* put all AC-operated segments into J unless that cabin is already full.
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If the former allows waitlisting, you can get on the waitlist far before the gate.
For the latter. No. No no no no no. No.
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For example, if I book a fully-flexible business award SYD-YVR-YYZ-YHZ, but YYZ-YHZ was J0 when I booked, and then it gets upgauged and becomes J5, I don't *think* you'd be waitlisted, but that may be by oversight rather than by design.
It's such an edge case that I doubt it's come up very often.
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I think they're asking about a Flex-biz award booking, for which I'm only *mostly* sure the answer is no.
For example, if I book a fully-flexible business award SYD-YVR-YYZ-YHZ, but YYZ-YHZ was J0 when I booked, and then it gets upgauged and becomes J5, I don't *think* you'd be waitlisted, but that may be by oversight rather than by design.
It's such an edge case that I doubt it's come up very often.
For example, if I book a fully-flexible business award SYD-YVR-YYZ-YHZ, but YYZ-YHZ was J0 when I booked, and then it gets upgauged and becomes J5, I don't *think* you'd be waitlisted, but that may be by oversight rather than by design.
It's such an edge case that I doubt it's come up very often.
Thanks to you both re my question. I was trying to understand nuances of the flexible-biz award vs revenue tx. I am digging deeper since coming to understand that the rules between them can differ. For example the rule re connection time.
I understand and don’t like no longer being able to wait list for mixed cabin awards. I rarely chose them in the old days because I wanted more assurance. But, sometimes there wasn’t as much choice as one might like.
Starting to book tx while learning the ins and outs of the new program. With little flying during Covid the learning curve is steep.
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Thanks to you both re my question. I was trying to understand nuances of the flexible-biz award vs revenue tx. I am digging deeper since coming to understand that the rules between them can differ. For example the rule re connection time.
I understand and don’t like no longer being able to wait list for mixed cabin awards. I rarely chose them in the old days because I wanted more assurance. But, sometimes there wasn’t as much choice as one might like.
Starting to book tx while learning the ins and outs of the new program. With little flying during Covid the learning curve is steep.
I understand and don’t like no longer being able to wait list for mixed cabin awards. I rarely chose them in the old days because I wanted more assurance. But, sometimes there wasn’t as much choice as one might like.
Starting to book tx while learning the ins and outs of the new program. With little flying during Covid the learning curve is steep.
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Question on Economy first leg of aeroplan issued award ticket
I have aeroplan issued ticket SEA - YVR - LHR. All is in I and for some reason they put SEA - YVR in Y.
I am wondering if aeroplan would be willing to change SEA to PDX without touching the YVR - LHR leg?
I am wondering if aeroplan would be willing to change SEA to PDX without touching the YVR - LHR leg?
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Under the old program, yes.
In the new program, some AC award space is available to partner programs at a cost fixed by those programs' award charts. The economy seats made available in this way are "X space", because that's the booking code for "seats AC allows to be booked with partner miles".
...but above and beyond that inventory, (theoretically) every AC flight is now available to book with a dynamically-priced amount of Aeroplan miles, in various fare types (Economy Standard, Flex, Latitude, etc) and these won't generally be coded as X. For example, my last domestic short-haul booked on points in Economy Standard was coded as K on the outbound and S on the return, very similar to a revenue ticket.
It's a moot point in this case, though, since the Q400 that'll be flying you to Seattle doesn't have a business cabin. There's nothing to upgrade to.
In the new program, some AC award space is available to partner programs at a cost fixed by those programs' award charts. The economy seats made available in this way are "X space", because that's the booking code for "seats AC allows to be booked with partner miles".
...but above and beyond that inventory, (theoretically) every AC flight is now available to book with a dynamically-priced amount of Aeroplan miles, in various fare types (Economy Standard, Flex, Latitude, etc) and these won't generally be coded as X. For example, my last domestic short-haul booked on points in Economy Standard was coded as K on the outbound and S on the return, very similar to a revenue ticket.
It's a moot point in this case, though, since the Q400 that'll be flying you to Seattle doesn't have a business cabin. There's nothing to upgrade to.
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Under the old program, yes.
In the new program, some AC award space is available to partner programs at a cost fixed by those programs' award charts. The economy seats made available in this way are "X space", because that's the booking code for "seats AC allows to be booked with partner miles".
...but above and beyond that inventory, (theoretically) every AC flight is now available to book with a dynamically-priced amount of Aeroplan miles, in various fare types (Economy Standard, Flex, Latitude, etc) and these won't generally be coded as X. For example, my last domestic short-haul booked on points in Economy Standard was coded as K on the outbound and S on the return, very similar to a revenue ticket.
It's a moot point in this case, though, since the Q400 that'll be flying you to Seattle doesn't have a business cabin. There's nothing to upgrade to.
In the new program, some AC award space is available to partner programs at a cost fixed by those programs' award charts. The economy seats made available in this way are "X space", because that's the booking code for "seats AC allows to be booked with partner miles".
...but above and beyond that inventory, (theoretically) every AC flight is now available to book with a dynamically-priced amount of Aeroplan miles, in various fare types (Economy Standard, Flex, Latitude, etc) and these won't generally be coded as X. For example, my last domestic short-haul booked on points in Economy Standard was coded as K on the outbound and S on the return, very similar to a revenue ticket.
It's a moot point in this case, though, since the Q400 that'll be flying you to Seattle doesn't have a business cabin. There's nothing to upgrade to.
did you earn miles on those K and S segments?
calling aeroplan is like 2hr hold so I wanted to check of anyone tried.
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Award tickets don't earn miles, regardless of fare class.
The "K" and "S" in this case simply denote the fact that those seats are pulled from different inventory than that which is made available to all Star Alliance partners.
The "K" and "S" in this case simply denote the fact that those seats are pulled from different inventory than that which is made available to all Star Alliance partners.
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I booked a Flexible PY award YYZ-YVR-HNL with intent to immediately eUpgrade.
With COW tool, I confirmed both segments had R space.
I knew with that booking the YVR-HNL would be in Economy but with R space available I assumed I could upgrade both segments to J.
However it seems YVR-HNL is booked into a class (shows as X) that doesn't immediately confirm into J as it is waitlisted.
Did I assume incorrectly that because I was booking a Flexible PY award that all segments would be able to immediately eUpgrade even if they weren't PY?
Should I have booked the Latitude award instead? Reason I went Flexible PY was to be guaranteed at least PY on YYZ-YVR in case of a swap.
With COW tool, I confirmed both segments had R space.
I knew with that booking the YVR-HNL would be in Economy but with R space available I assumed I could upgrade both segments to J.
However it seems YVR-HNL is booked into a class (shows as X) that doesn't immediately confirm into J as it is waitlisted.
Did I assume incorrectly that because I was booking a Flexible PY award that all segments would be able to immediately eUpgrade even if they weren't PY?
Should I have booked the Latitude award instead? Reason I went Flexible PY was to be guaranteed at least PY on YYZ-YVR in case of a swap.
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