renumbering of TATL flights?

Old Aug 15, 20, 6:58 pm
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renumbering of TATL flights?

While looking into flights for next year, I noticed that the following flight numbers have changed:

YYZ-FRA late afternoon (~5p.m.) departure:

AC872 -> AC840

This seems weird - that flight was operated as AC872 for at least the last 20-25 years.

YYZ-FRA late evening (~9.30p.m.) departure:

AC876 -> AC842

Does anyone happen to know the reason for this? Was there a larger-scale reshuffling of TATL flight numbers?
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Old Aug 15, 20, 7:22 pm
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Looks like sweeping changes on the renumbering of Europe flights. Appears they are numbered and sequentially grouped by destination and by departure time.

Examples:

800 YYZ-DUB (formerly 842)
836 YYZ-MUC (846)
852 YYZ-LHR (868)
854 YYZ-LHR (856)
856 YYZ-LHR (848)
858 YYZ-LHR (Unchanged)
872 YYZ-CDG (880)
824 YYZ-MAD (836)
820 YYZ-BCN (814)
896 YYZ-LHR (820)
880 YYZ-ZRH (878)
886 YYZ-VIE (898)
890 YYZ-FCO (Unchanged)
894 YYZ-MXP (Unchanged)

This will take some getting used to!
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Old Aug 15, 20, 7:44 pm
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Seems logical, given the substantial re-numbering of domestic flights a while back.
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Old Aug 15, 20, 8:59 pm
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1980's

AC856 YYZ-LHR 19:50

BA 072? 20:00

AC857 LHR-YYZ 13:15

BA073? 13:25

The question marks indicate foggy memories of BA flight numbers.

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Old Aug 15, 20, 9:20 pm
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Originally Posted by ACYYZ/SD View Post
854 YYZ-LHR (856)
That means there's changes in YVR too.
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Old Aug 15, 20, 9:27 pm
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Looks like YYC<>FRA is becoming 848/849. YYC<>LHR is staying 850/851.

YOW<>LHR now 868/869 - it was 888/889 before, wasn't it?
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Old Aug 15, 20, 9:33 pm
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More foggy memories.

AC858/859 YYZ-LHR-BOM-SIN was renumbered AC888/889 due to number 5 being considered unlucky in Asia.

L10-500
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Old Aug 15, 20, 9:39 pm
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https://www.thenetletter.net/netlett...netletter-1410New service begins.

Air Canada's inaugural flight to Bombay and Singapore via London, England. departed Toronto on schedule at 22:25 hrs EST on January 15, 1985 ......

Flight 858, utilizing L-1011-500 equipment landed at LHR on January 16
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Old Aug 16, 20, 5:45 am
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Originally Posted by Adam Smith View Post
YOW<>LHR now 868/869 - it was 888/889 before, wasn't it?
Confirmed. It has been 888/889 ever since the inaugural flight. I have no recollection of when that was...
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Old Aug 16, 20, 7:29 am
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There’s definitely a theme/grouping by country:

YYZ-ZRH AC880/881
YVR-ZRH AC882/883
YUL-GVA AC884/885

YUL-CDG AC870
YYZ-CDG AC872
YUL-LYS AC876
YUL-NCE AC878

That said, you also have some outliers, possibly routes that won’t return/launch in 2021 ?

YUL-TLS AC814
YVR-CDG AC838
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Old Aug 16, 20, 3:17 pm
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YUL-CDG AC870
Nice to see some do not change, believe that flight number has been around forever, at least when I flew it regularly since the late 90s
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Old Aug 16, 20, 8:32 pm
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Originally Posted by Admiral Ackbar View Post
Nice to see some do not change, believe that flight number has been around forever, at least when I flew it regularly since the late 90s
Some things do change. Flew out of YMX on AC870 seated next to Cabinet minister Jean Luc Pepin's assistant. Pepin was sat two rows ahead as she and I got drunk together. (St.Malo Jacques Cartier)
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Old Aug 16, 20, 8:36 pm
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Hmm.

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Old Aug 16, 20, 8:44 pm
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They were proud to have "innovated" RESIII? AC bought it off British Airways.
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