Aug 12, 2020, 12:02 am
Last edit by: Adam Smith
You must call in for stopovers, multi-city, or complicated routings, until the new booking system launches in 2021.
I hope others will significantly improve this wiki!
There are four zones: North America (inc Central), South America, Atlantic (including India and Western Russia), Pacific (inc Eastern Russia) and the chart is based which one you start from and which one you end up in, there's ten of these.
Cost is based on distance, which zone pair your flight is in, which class you are flying in.
Partner airlines (again) are a better deal because while Air Canada will calculate cost on a wide ranges but partner airlines are fixed to the bottom of the range.
YQ is eliminated. There's a 39 CAD fee for booking a ticket which contains a flight on a partner airline. Aside from this, there's no incentive any more to book a return flight it seems and every incentive not to.
Note: The partner booking fee is refundable, so it's basically a YQ, rather than a booking fee.
Most flights are devalued. However, the elimination of YQ sweetens this significantly. Within North America, a lot of flights became cheaper, YVR-HNL very significantly. YVR-TYO is much cheaper while YVR-AKL is a little cheaper.
A vastly more powerful booking system is promised for 2021.
There are a lot of new tricks to be learned. https://princeoftravel.com/blog/new-aeroplan-flight-rewards/ is a good start.
Information that is harder to find:
I hope others will significantly improve this wiki!
There are four zones: North America (inc Central), South America, Atlantic (including India and Western Russia), Pacific (inc Eastern Russia) and the chart is based which one you start from and which one you end up in, there's ten of these.
Cost is based on distance, which zone pair your flight is in, which class you are flying in.
Partner airlines (again) are a better deal because while Air Canada will calculate cost on a wide ranges but partner airlines are fixed to the bottom of the range.
YQ is eliminated. There's a 39 CAD fee for booking a ticket which contains a flight on a partner airline. Aside from this, there's no incentive any more to book a return flight it seems and every incentive not to.
Note: The partner booking fee is refundable, so it's basically a YQ, rather than a booking fee.
Most flights are devalued. However, the elimination of YQ sweetens this significantly. Within North America, a lot of flights became cheaper, YVR-HNL very significantly. YVR-TYO is much cheaper while YVR-AKL is a little cheaper.
A vastly more powerful booking system is promised for 2021.
There are a lot of new tricks to be learned. https://princeoftravel.com/blog/new-aeroplan-flight-rewards/ is a good start.
Information that is harder to find:
- SE IKK redemption from the old program can be changed ("within reason") without repricing. Dates, routings, no problem. Origin/destination should be fine. But nothing that would have required a repricing under the old program. This is from Mark Nasr in https://www.facebook.com/pointsmiles...44878252851420
- The "Activity" page only shows you the most recent ~48 transactions. See this post for information on how to get older data.
- A partial refund may not be possible (e.g. if you book RT and outbound flight is cancelled by you or AC, to delete the first flight segment, you have to cancel the entire ticket and rebook the inbound at a potentially higher fare. It seems supervisor can grant exceptions.)
2020 Air Canada Aeroplan Program
Nov 9, 2020, 2:07 pm
#796
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@philelite is going to post a couple examples, but YVR-PVR round-trip in J was something like:
SE: 47.1k
P25K+CC: 46.6k
SE+CC: 46.1k
I think both CCs were the mid-tiers.
So in this one example, the credit card wasn't significant, but there was definitely a discount.
SE: 47.1k
P25K+CC: 46.6k
SE+CC: 46.1k
I think both CCs were the mid-tiers.
So in this one example, the credit card wasn't significant, but there was definitely a discount.
No status, no CC is 56.0k.
So having something is pretty good, but the difference between a CC and an SE with CC is pretty negligible on this one pair of flights.
Nov 9, 2020, 2:16 pm
#797
Join Date: Jul 2018
Posts: 201
One way with stopover is not working for the promised 5000 miles - its simply adding the two legs searched.
Asia is looking dire. Anything involving AC TPAC is >200k in J
Mixed cabin itineraries popping up where 4% is in business (something like EWR-YYZ on a ticket from India), with no ability to filter out
Asia is looking dire. Anything involving AC TPAC is >200k in J
Mixed cabin itineraries popping up where 4% is in business (something like EWR-YYZ on a ticket from India), with no ability to filter out
Nov 9, 2020, 2:29 pm
#798
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Nov 9, 2020, 2:40 pm
#799
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: YVR
Programs: AC SE, HH Gold, Marriott Titanium, National EE, Sixt Platinum, Hertz PC, AVIS PC
Posts: 1,910
Economy
Air transportation charges (in points) 57,200
Taxes, fees and charges $98.27
Premium
Air transportation charges (in points) 70,500
Taxes, fees and charges $98.27
That's not too bad.. but depending on dates, amount of points varies greatly.
Ron.
Nov 9, 2020, 2:45 pm
#800
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Don't worry, the prices are more predictable now. They said so.
Nov 9, 2020, 3:25 pm
#801
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: YOW
Posts: 215
Now that aeroplan point booking is integrated into AC's search/booking engine. I don't seem to be able to search for any first class flights anymore.
Of course things are a bit broken by covid and they don't usually drop First class reward space that early, but I remember I was able to book ANA first class NRT-ORD 5 months in advance back in May.
No luck so far.
Of course things are a bit broken by covid and they don't usually drop First class reward space that early, but I remember I was able to book ANA first class NRT-ORD 5 months in advance back in May.
No luck so far.
Nov 9, 2020, 3:36 pm
#802
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: YOW
Programs: AC-SE100K, AC-3MM, Marriott- LT Titanium, SPG RIP
Posts: 2,958
Okay I wrote some code, and have determined that I am missing SQD for:
1. SFO-YVR (or YVR-SFO) on SFO-YVR-TPE-YVR-SFO in February.
2. The 1000 SQD for Travel At Home from May
3. A YVR-YYZ Comfort fare from July
All my FP bookings have the SQD.
But my transaction history doesn't go back beyond early August.
1. SFO-YVR (or YVR-SFO) on SFO-YVR-TPE-YVR-SFO in February.
2. The 1000 SQD for Travel At Home from May
3. A YVR-YYZ Comfort fare from July
All my FP bookings have the SQD.
But my transaction history doesn't go back beyond early August.
Plus missing SQD from recent flights (Oct 22) , but they have not posted yet.
Nov 9, 2020, 3:40 pm
#803
Join Date: Apr 2012
Location: YOW
Posts: 215
Now that aeroplan point booking is integrated into AC's search/booking engine. I don't seem to be able to search for any first class flights anymore.
Of course things are a bit broken by covid and they don't usually drop First class reward space that early, but I remember I was able to book ANA first class NRT-ORD 5 months in advance back in May.
No luck so far.
Of course things are a bit broken by covid and they don't usually drop First class reward space that early, but I remember I was able to book ANA first class NRT-ORD 5 months in advance back in May.
No luck so far.
The "First Class" Column will appear when there are First class seats available.
LHR-AUH on Etihad in First class can be redeemed.
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Nov 9, 2020, 4:08 pm
#804
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Now that aeroplan point booking is integrated into AC's search/booking engine. I don't seem to be able to search for any first class flights anymore.
Of course things are a bit broken by covid and they don't usually drop First class reward space that early, but I remember I was able to book ANA first class NRT-ORD 5 months in advance back in May.
No luck so far.
Of course things are a bit broken by covid and they don't usually drop First class reward space that early, but I remember I was able to book ANA first class NRT-ORD 5 months in advance back in May.
No luck so far.
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Nov 9, 2020, 4:36 pm
#805
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: YYZ
Programs: Flying Blue
Posts: 159
Anyone been successful in booking for more than 1 pax on this revamped site. I can do 1 but any extra pax and I get an error message, irrespective of destination and travel date
Nov 9, 2020, 5:20 pm
#806
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ok, so stupid question someone just asked me, which CCs give the discounted price? Are the basic cards included? AMEX?
I thought it was The Infinite TD Visa (and of course Privilige) and euqivalent CIBC tiers. Is the basic Platinum also good for discounts?
It appears that SE is 12.5% off, slightly less for cc.
I thought it was The Infinite TD Visa (and of course Privilige) and euqivalent CIBC tiers. Is the basic Platinum also good for discounts?
It appears that SE is 12.5% off, slightly less for cc.
Nov 9, 2020, 5:23 pm
#807
Join Date: Jan 2005
Programs: AC SE100K MM, Accor Plat
Posts: 218
I had trouble booking a 4 pax reward earlier today, I got some error at the final payment page that basically was gibberish (think it said something not found or valid and had a few numbers in brackets) repeatedly, finally I re-inputted my credit card information fully (not using whatever they pre-saved or any type of browser validation auto population) and that worked.
Nov 9, 2020, 5:26 pm
#808
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ok, so stupid question someone just asked me, which CCs give the discounted price? Are the basic cards included? AMEX?
I thought it was The Infinite TD Visa (and of course Privilige) and euqivalent CIBC tiers. Is the basic Platinum also good for discounts?
It appears that SE is 12.5% off, slightly less for cc.
I thought it was The Infinite TD Visa (and of course Privilige) and euqivalent CIBC tiers. Is the basic Platinum also good for discounts?
It appears that SE is 12.5% off, slightly less for cc.
Nov 9, 2020, 5:26 pm
#809
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Either the search engine is very much broken or something very fishy is going on.
The cost of awards seems to vary greatly depending on whether a *A sector is added (which should not be the case as long as one stays within the same mileage band).
E.g. April 8
YYJ-YYZ-FRA(J) on AC 65100 miles
YYJ-YYZ-FRA(J) on AC (same flights) connecting to LH J FRA-DUS 85000 miles
The cost of awards seems to vary greatly depending on whether a *A sector is added (which should not be the case as long as one stays within the same mileage band).
E.g. April 8
YYJ-YYZ-FRA(J) on AC 65100 miles
YYJ-YYZ-FRA(J) on AC (same flights) connecting to LH J FRA-DUS 85000 miles
Nov 9, 2020, 5:36 pm
#810
Join Date: Sep 2018
Location: YYC
Posts: 38
Another data point for P25+CC VI
today lowest YYC-NRT-YYC in J: 104.7k
And to compare between old and new charts (same travel dates)
Pre Nov 8th: YYC-NRT-YYC in J: 150k + CAD102.98 and with points: 164.71k
today lowest YYC-NRT-YYC in J: 104.7k
And to compare between old and new charts (same travel dates)
Pre Nov 8th: YYC-NRT-YYC in J: 150k + CAD102.98 and with points: 164.71k