Nov 22, 2020, 1:01 pm
Last edit by: vancouver25k
As of July 2022, MLLs appear to be largely back to normal operations.
Ordering to the table has been shut down, with most MLLs offering self-serve buffets similar to what was available pre-COVID.
Note that the EWR MLL has been permanently shut down as a result of changes/construction at EWR.
Showers
YYZ int - closed (Aug 12. They claimed all showers closed at YYZ but I was only at int.)
YVR tb - open
YVR int - open
YUL int - open
Ordering to the table has been shut down, with most MLLs offering self-serve buffets similar to what was available pre-COVID.
Note that the EWR MLL has been permanently shut down as a result of changes/construction at EWR.
Showers
YYZ int - closed (Aug 12. They claimed all showers closed at YYZ but I was only at int.)
YVR tb - open
YVR int - open
YUL int - open
MLLs in the time of COVID - re-openings, food, distancing, etc [READ WIKI FIRST]
Jul 3, 2020, 2:18 pm
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On a recent flight from YYZ to YUL I sat next to someone from management who said that the re-opening of lounges should coincide with the restrictions being lifted for dine-in restaurants in each province. So when restaurants re-open in your province you can expect MLLs to reopen shortly after. Mind you the former has happened in BC but the MLLs are still closed.
Also, a lot of people have mentioned the checks are at the check-in counter.
Jul 3, 2020, 3:13 pm
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The same way the rest of us not based in YYZ get from Domestic to E. It has always been a bit more complex and labour intensive in YYZ than other Canadian airports. Employee looks ar your boarding pass, seeing our going international then looks over to another employee to signal that your allowed that employee then opens a door that lets you into the overhead maze. As an incentive to make your way though the maze there would be cheese in Plaza premium lounge. The MLL folks would have to be attracted by the pickles etc.
In YVR it is some guy by a podium that looks at your boarding pass and lets you pass or not.
In YVR it is some guy by a podium that looks at your boarding pass and lets you pass or not.
(and pickles have long since been retired)
Jul 3, 2020, 7:21 pm
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I despise pickles, even when in my burger. I thought they still had some.
Jul 3, 2020, 7:33 pm
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First search I did said the opposite:
When it comes to alcohol consumption, during the digestion process, the liver gives off heat as it metabolizes the alcohol. Therefore, it can create a feeling of being warm but is in fact lowering a person's core body temperature. Though a person may sweat, their temperature is not actually rising, but lowering your core temperature.
2nd search says no effect..you feel warmer, but body temp has not changed.
Jul 3, 2020, 9:49 pm
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The issue is that the forehead scanners will test for surface temperature. Alcohol can make this go up by dilating peripheral blood vessels (ie: near your skin). That's why it feels warm: you sense temperature at your skin and it is getting warmer there. There's more core 37C blood getting to your cooler surface than you're used to.
So, alcohol could throw off the inaccurate forehead scanners. But they're so inaccurate, the acceptable range is probably big.
The alternative to get a good reading anyway would be to stick a thermometer in your ear/mouth/anus. Coming to a TSA checkpoint near you.
So, alcohol could throw off the inaccurate forehead scanners. But they're so inaccurate, the acceptable range is probably big.
The alternative to get a good reading anyway would be to stick a thermometer in your ear/mouth/anus. Coming to a TSA checkpoint near you.
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Jul 5, 2020, 9:26 pm
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Jul 6, 2020, 12:26 pm
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I spoke with someone yesterday who flew YXJ - YVR and when they got to security they were asked for their "temperature card" that could only come from checking in. I took that to mean that all people have to go through the check-in counter. That's going to impact me in a minor way, but for non-status people that's brutal.
Can anyone from here corroborate the above?
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Jul 6, 2020, 1:15 pm
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From my experience:
YCD - at check-in if physically present, at gate if mobile BP
YYC - at gate
YYZ - not sure, was flying int'l and no checks performed (but also connecting - so maybe at check-in/security)
YVR - at security - there was an AC agent taking temperatures.
WaytoomuchEurope - not sure if anything has changed in YVR. Would not seem logical to do it at desks... I was connecting from LHR and temperature check at domestic security seemed logical. If you're connecting, you've already had your temp checked somewhere, and if you're departing, no hold-ups at gate.
YCD - at check-in if physically present, at gate if mobile BP
YYC - at gate
YYZ - not sure, was flying int'l and no checks performed (but also connecting - so maybe at check-in/security)
YVR - at security - there was an AC agent taking temperatures.
WaytoomuchEurope - not sure if anything has changed in YVR. Would not seem logical to do it at desks... I was connecting from LHR and temperature check at domestic security seemed logical. If you're connecting, you've already had your temp checked somewhere, and if you're departing, no hold-ups at gate.
Jul 6, 2020, 1:41 pm
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From my experience:
YCD - at check-in if physically present, at gate if mobile BP
YYC - at gate
YYZ - not sure, was flying int'l and no checks performed (but also connecting - so maybe at check-in/security)
YVR - at security - there was an AC agent taking temperatures.
WaytoomuchEurope - not sure if anything has changed in YVR. Would not seem logical to do it at desks... I was connecting from LHR and temperature check at domestic security seemed logical. If you're connecting, you've already had your temp checked somewhere, and if you're departing, no hold-ups at gate.
YCD - at check-in if physically present, at gate if mobile BP
YYC - at gate
YYZ - not sure, was flying int'l and no checks performed (but also connecting - so maybe at check-in/security)
YVR - at security - there was an AC agent taking temperatures.
WaytoomuchEurope - not sure if anything has changed in YVR. Would not seem logical to do it at desks... I was connecting from LHR and temperature check at domestic security seemed logical. If you're connecting, you've already had your temp checked somewhere, and if you're departing, no hold-ups at gate.
Jul 8, 2020, 12:32 pm
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MLL in YYC was slated to open end of July as well but apparently it won’t and all protocols will be “tested” at YYZ Dom first. Concierge said turnstiles will be in place - not sure where but I got the impression she though they’d be inside the lounge.
Jul 10, 2020, 12:11 am
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But really, if restaurants can be open, MLL can too. They merely have to have systems in place. I have not seen any Provincial guidelines for Ontario or BC (my 2 provinces of residence) saying otherwise.
AC keeping MLL closed is a business decision. Other businesses desperate to re-open and make income were chomping at the bit.
This is simply another, "We wish we could, but you know... regulations.....aka we can't be bothered with the extra hassle or expense." MLL are a liability to AC and CR's future bonus.
AC keeping MLL closed is a business decision. Other businesses desperate to re-open and make income were chomping at the bit.
This is simply another, "We wish we could, but you know... regulations.....aka we can't be bothered with the extra hassle or expense." MLL are a liability to AC and CR's future bonus.
Jul 10, 2020, 7:18 am
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One could have only wished that Air Canada would have researched the best practices from the reopening of the competitior lounges post-COVID. Per one mile a time, the new standards by Qantas lounges could have been easily implemented by AC, but it will not look remotely like this: https://onemileatatime.com/qantas-lounges-reopening/
Jul 10, 2020, 11:59 pm
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Irony is that one could argue that Quantas even in Covid times is better than MLL at its best. MLL is nothing but the the most basic self serve food. If free basic booze is your need, MLL has you covered.
MLL is where we kill time for flights in relative comfort. More often than not, it makes more sense for us simply to buy an actual meal in the terminal rather than the substandard but free MLL option if that is how timing goes.
MLL is where we kill time for flights in relative comfort. More often than not, it makes more sense for us simply to buy an actual meal in the terminal rather than the substandard but free MLL option if that is how timing goes.
Jul 11, 2020, 7:13 am
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From my experience:
YCD - at check-in if physically present, at gate if mobile BP
YYC - at gate
YYZ - not sure, was flying int'l and no checks performed (but also connecting - so maybe at check-in/security)
YVR - at security - there was an AC agent taking temperatures.
WaytoomuchEurope - not sure if anything has changed in YVR. Would not seem logical to do it at desks... I was connecting from LHR and temperature check at domestic security seemed logical. If you're connecting, you've already had your temp checked somewhere, and if you're departing, no hold-ups at gate.
YCD - at check-in if physically present, at gate if mobile BP
YYC - at gate
YYZ - not sure, was flying int'l and no checks performed (but also connecting - so maybe at check-in/security)
YVR - at security - there was an AC agent taking temperatures.
WaytoomuchEurope - not sure if anything has changed in YVR. Would not seem logical to do it at desks... I was connecting from LHR and temperature check at domestic security seemed logical. If you're connecting, you've already had your temp checked somewhere, and if you're departing, no hold-ups at gate.
Jul 11, 2020, 10:52 am
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