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AC Cargo-Only Flights (2020 onwards)

Old Apr 9, 20, 9:32 am
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A few photos from back when.

I'll assume even the current situation would not be a reasons for AC to do pure cargo aircraft now. Can someone explain why? Thanks




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Old Apr 9, 20, 9:55 am
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Originally Posted by 24left
I'll assume even the current situation would not be a reasons for AC to do pure cargo aircraft now. Can someone explain why? Thanks
It takes months to convert a plane to Cargo.
That's after finding space in a MRO to do the conversion.
By then the current situation won't be current.

AC has had a partnership with Cargojet for a few years now.
And lots of unused belly space.
Surely AC could figure out a way to do seat packs in an empty cabin?
Or is there not enough space between the seats even for cargo?
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Old Apr 9, 20, 2:39 pm
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Originally Posted by tracon
It takes months to convert a plane to Cargo.
That's after finding space in a MRO to do the conversion.
By then the current situation won't be current.

AC has had a partnership with Cargojet for a few years now.
And lots of unused belly space.
Surely AC could figure out a way to do seat packs in an empty cabin?
Or is there not enough space between the seats even for cargo?
The question should be what do you do with the newer 767 aircraft. Is it more profitable to convert them to cargo and use them for that, sell/return them or just park them.

As for the idea of increasing seat pitch to accommodate more cargo. As a passenger that sounds like a fanatic idea if the same configuration is used for passenger flights.
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Old Apr 9, 20, 2:46 pm
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It seems some face masks are more equal than others, some have been upgraded, sure they hope they processed the upgrades in the correct manner.
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Old Apr 9, 20, 2:51 pm
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Originally Posted by Jagboi
Time may actually be an issue. Friend of mine works for a company that has manufacturing facilities in China. A container with the main product was sent by sea, and an additional package of extra spare parts was sent by air within a day of each other. The container that came by sea/rail actually beat the air freight consignment to Calgary, as the air freight sat in HKG for over 2 weeks waiting for a flight to Canada.
https://www.flightradar24.com/data/flights/ac2281

Cargo flight to HKG on a 787.
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Old Apr 9, 20, 4:20 pm
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Originally Posted by etkuo
Yup, since it isn't parked, a few hours ago I posted a screen shot from FlightAware in this thread

https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/32279473-post1408.html
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Old Apr 9, 20, 7:51 pm
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Originally Posted by taupo

It seems some face masks are more equal than others, some have been upgraded, sure they hope they processed the upgrades in the correct manner.
Well if the mods are moving the pic, I'm moving my post:
Look at the 2nd box on the right. This is a security cam catching the crew dipping into the cargo!
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Old Apr 10, 20, 1:35 am
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Originally Posted by FlY2XS
Well if the mods are moving the pic, I'm moving my post:
Look at the 2nd box on the right. This is a security cam catching the crew dipping into the cargo!
That's a picture of the then-current Prime Minister of Slovakia. His name is on the jacket.
Sometimes humour gets lost online though so maybe this joke went over my head
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Old Apr 10, 20, 9:02 am
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Originally Posted by 24left
A few photos from back when.

I'll assume even the current situation would not be a reasons for AC to do pure cargo aircraft now. Can someone explain why? Thanks
Absent a handful of semi-emergency flights, there isn't and won't be a significant demand in global cargo traffic.

Which isn't to say that AC planners might not be considering some long term diversification.
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Old Apr 10, 20, 11:39 am
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Originally Posted by taupo
It seems some face masks are more equal than others, some have been upgraded, sure they hope they processed the upgrades in the correct manner.
Those boxes are congregating in an important area of the plane, blocking part of the aisle and some are stacked in front of the bulkhead.

​​​​​​Combustable, unsupervised cargo in a cabin without an automatic fire suppression system?
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Old Apr 10, 20, 2:22 pm
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Originally Posted by Jagboi
Time may actually be an issue. Friend of mine works for a company that has manufacturing facilities in China. A container with the main product was sent by sea, and an additional package of extra spare parts was sent by air within a day of each other. The container that came by sea/rail actually beat the air freight consignment to Calgary, as the air freight sat in HKG for over 2 weeks waiting for a flight to Canada.
That speaks to the advantage of chartering. It's your plane and you get to fill it with your stuff. If you are just brokering your freight, you are at the mercy of someone over there deciding what gets prioritized on what flight.

Originally Posted by RangerNS
Absent a handful of semi-emergency flights, there isn't and won't be a significant demand in global cargo traffic.

Which isn't to say that AC planners might not be considering some long term diversification.
My company alone will probably fill the equivalent of 6 or 8 AC flights for things we are bringing over by air from China in the next 4-6 weeks.(We're not normally a big player). If we use a regular charter where you can use the cabin space it would probably be 2 or 3 777's.
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Old Apr 10, 20, 3:58 pm
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A reminder seems necessary that the thread topic is whether Air Canada will run cargo-only flights and not other world airlines so a few posts have been deleted as they dealt with airlines other than AC.

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Old Apr 11, 20, 7:43 am
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https://aircanada.mediaroom.com/2020...kUtR87P5R-SzoM

MONTREAL, April 11, 2020 /CNW Telbec/ - Air Canada today said it is reconfiguring the cabins of three of its Boeing 777-300ER aircraft to give them additional cargo capacity. The first aircraft conversion is complete and is now in service, with the second and third aircraft to be completed shortly.

"Bringing critical medical and other vital supplies rapidly to Canada and helping distribute them across the country is imperative to combating the COVID-19 crisis. The transformation of the Boeing 777-300ERs, our largest international wide-body aircraft, doubles the capacity of each flight and will enable more goods to move more quickly," said Tim Strauss, Vice President – Cargo at Air Canada.

"The rapid transformation of some of our aircraft to meet cargo demand reflects our ability to maximize our fleet assets quickly when these aircraft would otherwise be parked. Air Canada's engineering team worked around the clock to oversee the conversion work, and with Transport Canada to ensure all work was certified as tasks were completed. The next two aircraft are on track to be completed and will be in operation within the coming days," said Richard Steer, Senior Vice President – Air Canada Operations.

The three Boeing 777-300ER aircraft are being converted by Avianor, an aircraft maintenance and cabin integration specialist, at its Montreal-Mirabel facility. Avianor developed a specific engineering solution to remove 422 passenger seats and designate cargo loading zones for light weight boxes containing medical equipment and restrained with cargo nets. This modification has been developed, produced and implemented within six days. All operations have been certified and approved by Transport Canada.

Through its cargo division, Air Canada has been using mainline aircraft that would otherwise be parked to operate cargo-only flights. The aircraft on these flights carry no passengers but move in their baggage holds time-sensitive shipments, including urgent medical supplies, and goods to support the global economy.

Air Canada has operated 40 all-cargo flights since March 22 and plans to operate up to 20 all-cargo flights per week using a combination of the three newly converted Boeing 777s, Boeing 787s and Boeing 777s, in addition to current scheduled flights to London, Paris, Frankfurt, Hong Kong. Air Canada Cargo has been working with its supply chain partners and shippers to transport medical supplies from Asia and Europe to Canada and will continue exploring additional opportunities as needed in all regions of the globe.
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Old Apr 11, 20, 8:05 am
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An AC 777-300ER being converted to hold more cargo, from AC facebook page



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