canopus27

The airport bans people? Wow. I suppose that makes sense, but it hadn't even occured to me that the airport would ban someone ....

Bartolo

How is that enforced? No one shows ID to get into the terminal.

codfather

Sounds like they did a good job offloading some DrunkCargo

canopus27

I don't know.

That said, very few people go to an airport just to hang around the public areas - and to get into a secure area, you usually need to show ID. In addition, I imagine there's a threat of additional action (charging someone with trespass) if they violate the rule ...

jc94

Similar to other places that ban people I guess. You don't normally show ID to enter a store but you can still be banned from one.

And speaking as someone who has banned people from one, if it was a major thing we'd have their photos up and call the police if they returned. And obviously in an airport there isn't normally a long wait if one calls the police.

CZAMFlyer

Easily. They can walk inside, but likely won’t get very far and certainly not past any screening point, regardless of ticket held with any airline. Shift briefings discuss any persons of concern who have been sighted or may be likely to use the premises. There are plenty of people (some with travel bans, some with violent histories, some with mental health issues that compel them to attempt to board airplanes or run onto the apron, some with baggage theft convictions etc) that are identified with the use of cameras and Mark 1 eyeballs. All large airports have public safety officers, duty officers, security staff and police on duty 24/7. Once identified, they are escorted away from the terminal.

Whoever suggested “tasers and firearms” may not possess a complete understanding of their use in airports, and the former at YVR specifically.

Bohemian1

Wow. I learned something here.

I will now be much better behaved at my home airport. No more public rants about a lack of taxis.

CZAMFlyer

On the first point, you might be surprised. I know I was. There are lots of ‘regulars’ inside the terminal. Some go to watch airplanes, some just like their favourite spots to read or watch movies on their devices etc. Some like to people-watch. Some have nowhere else to go.

Re the second point, unless you’re a ticketed passenger with a valid boarding pass, you can’t simply show conventional ID to gain access into a secure area. You’ll need a restricted-access ID card (RAIC) or an airport-issued visitor pass and be escorted by a RAIC holder.

canopus27

On the first point I was talking about non-FT type people. Trust me, I'm a plane geek, and I have been to many airports many times just to hang around and watch planes, so I don't doubt that happens. And yes, of course there are also plenty of people who are not plane geeks, but who just show up at the airport to collect friends or relatives. Even so, I still suspect that the majority of legs who walk through the door at an airport, are planning to fly that day - and thus have to show ID.

And on the second point, I was talking about a different level of security, not RAIC - basically PAX (who have to go through security, etc) vs non-PAX (who are there to plane watch, or collect Aunt Josephine).

canadiancow

I was going to let it slide the first time, but you don't need ID to clear security in Canada.

canopus27

... which is why, in my first post on this, I wrote "to get into a secure area, you usually need to show ID" (bolding added now, but the word was there in my first post! ref)

But then CZAMFlyer tricked me into posting again

So: yes, canadiancow - you're right and I agree.

All of that notwithstanding, I think the biggest threat that an airport could hold over someone, is just the assertion that "you're not allowed on our property". All of the conversations about ID are really just "how do you enforce that" - but I believe simply telling the person that they will face (criminal?) sanction if they step foot on the airport property, is really going to be sufficient for most people.

RangerNS

I won't say you never need to show ID (for the regular, peon lane); the fact everyone does is because not doing so is obviously so bat s-insane even the most libertarian among us just assumes it is the way it is.

canadiancow

But you don't "usually". You never do for the regular lane. Maybe for SSSS? But that's it. The NEXUS lane obviously requires a NEXUS card, but that's a separate issue.

Nitehawk

As long as you use OLCI, and don't check bags you don't need to show ID until you get to the gate for most flights departing Canada (excluding preclearance flights to the US)

WaytoomuchEurope

There have been references to video on board and also video in terminal of this incident and I for one would be very interested to see them.

Also never considered someone being banned from the airport itself but it makes sense that it can and does happen.