Dear Route Planning, YCD MCT is too damn high
#1
A FlyerTalk Posting Legend
Original Poster
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: SFO
Programs: AC SE MM, BA Gold, SQ Silver, Bonvoy Tit LTG, Hyatt Glob, HH Diamond
Posts: 44,316
Dear Route Planning, YCD MCT is too damn high
YCD D-D connections are 20 minutes.
Unless it's AC-AC, in which case it's 45.
45 minutes. That's YYZ's MCT.
YYJ is 30. YQQ is 20. I would expect YCD to be similar to YQQ.
The DH3 from YVR does a 32 minute turn.
Why is the MCT so high? Can you please fix it? Just make it 30
Unless it's AC-AC, in which case it's 45.
45 minutes. That's YYZ's MCT.
YYJ is 30. YQQ is 20. I would expect YCD to be similar to YQQ.
The DH3 from YVR does a 32 minute turn.
Why is the MCT so high? Can you please fix it? Just make it 30
#2
Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: YVR
Programs: UA Premier Platinum
Posts: 3,759
When you arrive at YCD (on AC anyways), you are directed along the tarmac to the doors near baggage claim and have to go back through CATSA to get on another flight. CATSA is a disaster at YCD: in part because checked baggage goes through CATSA along with people and in part because the airport is tiny for the number of people it serves. So 45 minutes actually doesn't sound that unreasonable.
I actually think you could misconnect trying to do a same-aircraft turnaround in YCD if another flight (WS?) is departing at the same time and CATSA is clogged.
I actually think you could misconnect trying to do a same-aircraft turnaround in YCD if another flight (WS?) is departing at the same time and CATSA is clogged.
#3
A FlyerTalk Posting Legend
Original Poster
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: SFO
Programs: AC SE MM, BA Gold, SQ Silver, Bonvoy Tit LTG, Hyatt Glob, HH Diamond
Posts: 44,316
When you arrive at YCD (on AC anyways), you are directed along the tarmac to the doors near baggage claim and have to go back through CATSA to get on another flight. CATSA is a disaster at YCD: in part because checked baggage goes through CATSA along with people and in part because the airport is tiny for the number of people it serves. So 45 minutes actually doesn't sound that unreasonable.
I actually think you could misconnect trying to do a same-aircraft turnaround in YCD if another flight (WS?) is departing at the same time and CATSA is clogged.
I actually think you could misconnect trying to do a same-aircraft turnaround in YCD if another flight (WS?) is departing at the same time and CATSA is clogged.
YYG and YQX come to mind.
#4
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: CHI
Programs: UA 1K, MR Titanium, IHG Gold, National Exec
Posts: 3,841
#5
Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: YVR
Programs: UA Premier Platinum
Posts: 3,759
I don't doubt that is true (probably at YCD too), but unless it's a published airport policy I wouldn't expect the MCT to account for it.
#6
A FlyerTalk Posting Legend
Original Poster
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: SFO
Programs: AC SE MM, BA Gold, SQ Silver, Bonvoy Tit LTG, Hyatt Glob, HH Diamond
Posts: 44,316
YCD is literally the only airport AC flies to I've found where you can't turn around with the aircraft. This is, by far, the exception. I suspect it's a mistake.
#7
Join Date: Apr 2015
Location: YVR
Programs: UA Premier Platinum
Posts: 3,759
Keep in mind that unlike YQQ, the scope of YCD connections isn't just turning around back to YVR on the same plane. There are YYC flights as well as a seasonal YYZ flight, and I've seen YVR-YCD-YYZ routings offered for sale (not sure about YYC-YCD-YVR or vice versa). The departure of the YYZ flight is also when the airport is most swamped and without an actual connections procedure, the relatively high MCT may actually be a deliberate choice.
#8
A FlyerTalk Posting Legend
Original Poster
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: SFO
Programs: AC SE MM, BA Gold, SQ Silver, Bonvoy Tit LTG, Hyatt Glob, HH Diamond
Posts: 44,316
Keep in mind that unlike YQQ, the scope of YCD connections isn't just turning around back to YVR on the same plane. There are YYC flights as well as a seasonal YYZ flight, and I've seen YVR-YCD-YYZ routings offered for sale (not sure about YYC-YCD-YVR or vice versa). The departure of the YYZ flight is also when the airport is most swamped and without an actual connections procedure, the relatively high MCT may actually be a deliberate choice.
And it's 20 minutes.
Nothing that you've brought up wouldn't apply to countless airports that actually have a 20 minute MCT.
YCD is an outlier.
#10
Join Date: Jun 2010
Programs: AC SE100K , 1MM, Hilton Diamond, KLM
Posts: 579
DELETE
When you arrive at YCD (on AC anyways), you are directed along the tarmac to the doors near baggage claim and have to go back through CATSA to get on another flight. CATSA is a disaster at YCD: in part because checked baggage goes through CATSA along with people and in part because the airport is tiny for the number of people it serves. So 45 minutes actually doesn't sound that unreasonable.
I actually think you could misconnect trying to do a same-aircraft turnaround in YCD if another flight (WS?) is departing at the same time and CATSA is clogged.
I actually think you could misconnect trying to do a same-aircraft turnaround in YCD if another flight (WS?) is departing at the same time and CATSA is clogged.
#11
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: YVR
Programs: Bottom feeder Star Gold
Posts: 2,652
The airport and the security processes weren't designed for people gaming systems for personal reasons (EYW contests, mileage running, AQS gathering etc). Airports like Nanaimo are intended to start from or arrive at; there are no AC connections there, and neither the AC route planning department nor the airport authority itself should waste a minute of concern for people who are merely stopping by to earn a badge, collect a segment or kill some time aloft. No unescorted passenger should be allowed to linger airside or bypass the arrival and re-clearing lines - that becomes problematic for many reasons and could invalidate the Airport's Operating Certificate. As mentioned above, the airport is tiny for the number of people it serves...so with that in mind, maybe don't needlessly clog the system. It makes it more expensive and unpleasant for the people actually needing to use the airport.
Unpopular opinion with some, I'm sure. But this registers somewhere near 'zero' on the sympathy meter.
Unpopular opinion with some, I'm sure. But this registers somewhere near 'zero' on the sympathy meter.
#12
A FlyerTalk Posting Legend
Original Poster
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: SFO
Programs: AC SE MM, BA Gold, SQ Silver, Bonvoy Tit LTG, Hyatt Glob, HH Diamond
Posts: 44,316
The airport and the security processes weren't designed for people gaming systems for personal reasons (EYW contests, mileage running, AQS gathering etc). Airports like Nanaimo are intended to start from or arrive at; there are no AC connections there, and neither the AC route planning department nor the airport authority itself should waste a minute of concern for people who are merely stopping by to earn a badge, collect a segment or kill some time aloft. No unescorted passenger should be allowed to linger airside or bypass the arrival and re-clearing lines - that becomes problematic for many reasons and could invalidate the Airport's Operating Certificate. As mentioned above, the airport is tiny for the number of people it serves...so with that in mind, maybe don't needlessly clog the system. It makes it more expensive and unpleasant for the people actually needing to use the airport.
Unpopular opinion with some, I'm sure. But this registers somewhere near 'zero' on the sympathy meter.
Unpopular opinion with some, I'm sure. But this registers somewhere near 'zero' on the sympathy meter.
So my question is: Why is YCD different?
No one has answered that.
#14
A FlyerTalk Posting Legend
Original Poster
Join Date: Sep 2012
Location: SFO
Programs: AC SE MM, BA Gold, SQ Silver, Bonvoy Tit LTG, Hyatt Glob, HH Diamond
Posts: 44,316
If 20 airports in the network have inappropriately short MCTs, they should be fixed. But since it's only 1 with an unusually long MCT, that really suggests there's an issue with it.
This isn't the first time I've found an odd MCT, and if all goes well, it won't be the first time FT has caused an MCT to be changed.
I don't think they decided to make YCD 45 minutes. I think they inadvertently made it 45 minutes.
#15
Join Date: Sep 2019
Posts: 5
The reason why the MCT is 45 minutes is:
1) with the current airport setup of arriving pax going right into the baggage claim area, there is a mickey-mouse procedure for connections that is inefficient, both for pax and for bags. The terminal isn't set-up to handle connections.
2) With the YCD-YVR route taking a frequent hit to ATC flow delays, connections are often blown when they are too tight.
When the new departures area is complete in January 2020, arriving passengers will arrive in the departures area (just like every other airport essentially) and this will make it much easier for passengers to connect through YCD. I suspect the MCT might decrease then.
Lots of pax connect through YCD from YYC, YVR, and YYZ... you'd be surprised!
1) with the current airport setup of arriving pax going right into the baggage claim area, there is a mickey-mouse procedure for connections that is inefficient, both for pax and for bags. The terminal isn't set-up to handle connections.
2) With the YCD-YVR route taking a frequent hit to ATC flow delays, connections are often blown when they are too tight.
When the new departures area is complete in January 2020, arriving passengers will arrive in the departures area (just like every other airport essentially) and this will make it much easier for passengers to connect through YCD. I suspect the MCT might decrease then.
Lots of pax connect through YCD from YYC, YVR, and YYZ... you'd be surprised!