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Old Sep 11, 2019, 4:26 pm
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Why does AC prohibit back to back ticketing?
Why does AC care about back to back ticketing to avoid minimum stays? Isn’t it all just revenue?
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Old Sep 11, 2019, 4:28 pm
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Originally Posted by jcamp028
Why does AC care about back to back ticketing to avoid minimum stays? Isn’t it all just revenue?
Because with back to back, you spend $1000. Without it, you spend $3000.

On the same flights.
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Old Sep 11, 2019, 4:38 pm
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What is back to back ticketing?
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Old Sep 11, 2019, 4:41 pm
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Originally Posted by theBeachBoy
What is back to back ticketing?
I need to be in LHR Monday the 1st through Friday the 5th, and Monday the 8th through Friday the 12th.

Logically you'd book two tickets:
SFO-LHR on the 1st, LHR-SFO on the 5th
SFO-LHR on the 8th, LHR-SFO on the 12th

However, since you have no Saturday night stay, it's VERY expensive.

With back to back ticketing, you book two tickets:
SFO-LHR on the 1st, LHR-SFO on the 12th
LHR-SFO on the 5th, SFO-LHR on the 8th

Now both tickets have a Saturday night stay, and are much cheaper.
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Old Sep 11, 2019, 4:45 pm
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Originally Posted by canadiancow
I need to be in LHR Monday the 1st through Friday the 5th, and Monday the 8th through Friday the 12th.

Logically you'd book two tickets:
SFO-LHR on the 1st, LHR-SFO on the 5th
SFO-LHR on the 8th, LHR-SFO on the 12th

However, since you have no Saturday night stay, it's VERY expensive.

With back to back ticketing, you book two tickets:
SFO-LHR on the 1st, LHR-SFO on the 12th
LHR-SFO on the 5th, SFO-LHR on the 8th

Now both tickets have a Saturday night stay, and are much cheaper.
That's clever!
But I guess all airlines prohibits this.
If you are not caring about AQM/AQD you can book them on different stock/codeshares?
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Old Sep 11, 2019, 4:47 pm
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Originally Posted by theBeachBoy
If you are not caring about AQM/AQD you can book them on different stock/codeshares?
Yes. Nothing stops you from doing this.
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Old Sep 11, 2019, 5:02 pm
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Originally Posted by theBeachBoy
That's clever!
But I guess all airlines prohibits this.
If you are not caring about AQM/AQD you can book them on different stock/codeshares?
And if you do care about AQM, you can book on an Star Alliance partner (for AC).
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Old Sep 11, 2019, 5:03 pm
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Originally Posted by yyznomad
Yes. Nothing stops you from doing this.
Except the contract you agree to when you buy your ticket.

something something bad faith
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Old Sep 11, 2019, 5:15 pm
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Arcane international rules. If travelling enough, I just buy flight passes and do one ways. Works out better cost and eupgrade wise.
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Originally Posted by canadiancow
However, since you have no Saturday night stay, it's VERY expensive.
... that's still a thing? I thought that went out years ago (on other carriers; have no experience with AC)
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Old Sep 11, 2019, 5:56 pm
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It's still there on international fares on most airlines.

A quick check of AA, UA, and AC shows they all have fares with rules like:

TRAVEL FROM TURNAROUND MUST COMMENCE NO EARLIER THAN
THE FIRST SUN AFTER ARRIVAL AT THE TURNAROUND.
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Old Sep 11, 2019, 6:01 pm
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WN has spoiled me; the defacto practice is two one-ways, even
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Old Sep 11, 2019, 6:05 pm
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Originally Posted by kennycrudup
WN has spoiled me; the defacto practice is two one-ways, even
These rules apply primarily to intercontinental travel.
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Old Sep 11, 2019, 8:21 pm
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Originally Posted by kennycrudup
WN has spoiled me; the defacto practice is two one-ways, even
Most airlines in North America do the same as Southwest. This is exclusively a problem flying overseas.
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Old Sep 11, 2019, 8:52 pm
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Doesn't Cow have a nested ticket in his example, rather than a back to back? I've always understood a back to back is flying to where a plane either nightstops or does a turnaround and flies back to the origin, and it's a pair of tickets that covers both flights. Nested would be a second return journey within the end dates of another ticket.

It might take some fine reading of the Tariff, but I understood in Canada tickets need to be used in sequence. Even with nested tickets, you are using all the flight coupons in sqeuence For Each PNR, but not if multiple PNR's are taken together.

Based on the Lufthansa case in Europe, for tickets there you might not need to use the coupons in sequence, although this is quite new. See this comment, plus the additional links to the case where LH sued a passenger for taking a nested trip, and lost.
https://liveandletsfly.boardingarea....egments-italy/

https://www.iftta.org/content/german...ross-ticketing
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