Why does AC prohibit back to back ticketing?
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I need to be in LHR Monday the 1st through Friday the 5th, and Monday the 8th through Friday the 12th.
Logically you'd book two tickets:
SFO-LHR on the 1st, LHR-SFO on the 5th
SFO-LHR on the 8th, LHR-SFO on the 12th
However, since you have no Saturday night stay, it's VERY expensive.
With back to back ticketing, you book two tickets:
SFO-LHR on the 1st, LHR-SFO on the 12th
LHR-SFO on the 5th, SFO-LHR on the 8th
Now both tickets have a Saturday night stay, and are much cheaper.
Logically you'd book two tickets:
SFO-LHR on the 1st, LHR-SFO on the 5th
SFO-LHR on the 8th, LHR-SFO on the 12th
However, since you have no Saturday night stay, it's VERY expensive.
With back to back ticketing, you book two tickets:
SFO-LHR on the 1st, LHR-SFO on the 12th
LHR-SFO on the 5th, SFO-LHR on the 8th
Now both tickets have a Saturday night stay, and are much cheaper.
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I need to be in LHR Monday the 1st through Friday the 5th, and Monday the 8th through Friday the 12th.
Logically you'd book two tickets:
SFO-LHR on the 1st, LHR-SFO on the 5th
SFO-LHR on the 8th, LHR-SFO on the 12th
However, since you have no Saturday night stay, it's VERY expensive.
With back to back ticketing, you book two tickets:
SFO-LHR on the 1st, LHR-SFO on the 12th
LHR-SFO on the 5th, SFO-LHR on the 8th
Now both tickets have a Saturday night stay, and are much cheaper.
Logically you'd book two tickets:
SFO-LHR on the 1st, LHR-SFO on the 5th
SFO-LHR on the 8th, LHR-SFO on the 12th
However, since you have no Saturday night stay, it's VERY expensive.
With back to back ticketing, you book two tickets:
SFO-LHR on the 1st, LHR-SFO on the 12th
LHR-SFO on the 5th, SFO-LHR on the 8th
Now both tickets have a Saturday night stay, and are much cheaper.
But I guess all airlines prohibits this.
If you are not caring about AQM/AQD you can book them on different stock/codeshares?
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It's still there on international fares on most airlines.
A quick check of AA, UA, and AC shows they all have fares with rules like:
A quick check of AA, UA, and AC shows they all have fares with rules like:
TRAVEL FROM TURNAROUND MUST COMMENCE NO EARLIER THAN
THE FIRST SUN AFTER ARRIVAL AT THE TURNAROUND.
THE FIRST SUN AFTER ARRIVAL AT THE TURNAROUND.
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Doesn't Cow have a nested ticket in his example, rather than a back to back? I've always understood a back to back is flying to where a plane either nightstops or does a turnaround and flies back to the origin, and it's a pair of tickets that covers both flights. Nested would be a second return journey within the end dates of another ticket.
It might take some fine reading of the Tariff, but I understood in Canada tickets need to be used in sequence. Even with nested tickets, you are using all the flight coupons in sqeuence For Each PNR, but not if multiple PNR's are taken together.
Based on the Lufthansa case in Europe, for tickets there you might not need to use the coupons in sequence, although this is quite new. See this comment, plus the additional links to the case where LH sued a passenger for taking a nested trip, and lost.
https://liveandletsfly.boardingarea....egments-italy/
https://www.iftta.org/content/german...ross-ticketing
It might take some fine reading of the Tariff, but I understood in Canada tickets need to be used in sequence. Even with nested tickets, you are using all the flight coupons in sqeuence For Each PNR, but not if multiple PNR's are taken together.
Based on the Lufthansa case in Europe, for tickets there you might not need to use the coupons in sequence, although this is quite new. See this comment, plus the additional links to the case where LH sued a passenger for taking a nested trip, and lost.
https://liveandletsfly.boardingarea....egments-italy/
https://www.iftta.org/content/german...ross-ticketing
Last edited by Jagboi; Sep 11, 2019 at 8:56 pm Reason: add link